Evaluation of the policies of George W. Bush and his Republican conservatives on America.
Bush wants to put our country further into DEBT!
Published on June 5, 2006 By COL Gene In Politics


Posted on Mon, Jun. 05, 2006



The Editorial in the Philadelphia Inquirer today debunks the Bush claim that the BIG BAD Estate( Death Tax as the GOP calls it) should be eliminated. Here is the truth about this tax according to the Inquirer:

The Tax is paid by 5 out of every 1,000 estates. That is ½ of 1% of the estates pay this HORRIBLE tax. We hear about all the family farms and businesses that have to pay this tax. In 2000 that was 123 Family Farms and 135 family-owned businesses. In other words, this tax does not impact 99.5% of Americans.

What would it mean to the Federal budget? In the ten years from 2012 - 2022 the Federal Budget would lose $1 Trillion dollars at a time when the National Debt is over $8.3 Trillion and heading for $10 Trillion by 2010. It is time for the Democrats to say NO and filibuster this irresponsible proposal by Bush and the conservatives in Congress!!!


Editorial | The Estate Tax
Death to the phony spin

The Republican-controlled Senate will attempt this week a feat that is breathtakingly irresponsible - abolishing the tax on multimillion-dollar estates.
Conservatives have done a masterful spin job in vilifying the estate tax. They've effectively renamed this progressive, needed source of revenue the "death tax."
It sounds so unfair to tax death. And a tax on death sounds as if it might snare everybody.
In truth, the estate tax is paid by only five of every 1,000 people who die.
Let's repeat that, so it can sink in and dislodge the misconceptions that a decade of false "death tax" rhetoric has planted in Americans' brains:
The estate tax is paid by only five of every 1,000 people who die.
This year, only estates of more than $2 million (or $4 million per couple) will owe the tax - about 12,600 estates total.
What's more, under current law, that exemption level already is set to rise to $3 million for an individual and $7.5 million for a couple by 2009. When that happens, this tax will be paid by only three out of 1,000 estates.
Next time you're sitting in a traffic jam on the Schuylkill Expressway or Route 42 in South Jersey, look ahead of you. Look left. Look right. Chances are, even without repeal, no one you see will have this tax levied on his estate after he dies.
Oh, but what about the sacred "family farm"? This is another falsehood promoted during the annual fights in Congress to provide another boon to the Paris Hiltons of the world: The estate tax is causing the extinction of the family farm.
Actually, the estate tax rarely hits family farms.
The nonpartisan Congressional Budget Office has found that, if the current $2 million exemption had been in place in 2000, only 123 family farms and 135 family-owned businesses nationwide would have owed the tax.
In 2009, only 65 farms across the country are projected to owe the tax. And the American Farm Bureau, in one news report, could not cite a single example of a family farm being sold to pay the estate tax.
The tax might mean fewer baubles for Paris and her set, but it is not forcing families to give up their hard-earned legacies.
Opponents of the estate tax also would like people to believe that this levy guts estates by taking half of their value. Not so. In 2003, the estates that were subject to the tax (including 1,183 in Pennsylvania) paid an effective tax rate, on average, of 19 percent. That's because if an estate is valued at $2.5 million, the heirs pay taxes on $500,000 - only the amount above the $2 million exemption.
Bill Gates Sr., father of the founder of Microsoft, says opponents of the estate tax are conjuring up a "mythical bogeyman."
"Wealthy people have been paying estate taxes, and we have been getting along just fine," the elder Gates said.
What the estate tax does do is provide a vital source of income for a federal government that is running up way too much debt on its charge card. If the tax were repealed, the Treasury would lose nearly $1 trillion in revenue over the first decade of its full effect, beginning in 2012. Already feeling the pinch of earlier tax cuts, the government is running annual deficits of more than $300 billion and beginning to trim funds for vital tasks like homeland security in large Northeastern cities and the rebuilding of Iraqi cities.
Repealing the estate tax would only increase the misguided determination of this Congress to cut useful programs that have already faced the chopping block - health care for the poor, student loans, mass transit, food stamps, child-care subsidies. That's an immoral trade-off.
You say you still don't trust how the government spends money? Fine, the estate tax also boosts the nonprofit sector, because it provides an incentive for rich people to make large charitable donations and set up foundations to do good works.
One GOP proposal would keep a tax rate of 15 percent on estates more than $5 million. But this plan would lose nearly as much revenue as a repeal.
The nation can't afford an estate-tax repeal. But the few estates that pay the tax can indeed afford it.

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on Jun 05, 2006
OK, COL... I Googled an actual website that claimed to be an estate tax calculator. I put in some figures and here goes:

If your taxable estate is worth: You will pay:
(column 1) (column 2)
$4,140,000 $984,400
$2,100,000 $46,000
$2,000,005 $2
$2,000,000 --ZERO--
$1,200,000 --ZERO--
$210,000 --ZERO--

A $2 million estate does indeed seem to be the magic number: if I have more than $2 million when I die, my descendants/beneficiaries can expect to pay a "death tax".

Hmmm... food for thought. If I have $2,000,005, I'd be happy to spend less than a Starbucks coffee to keep it.
on Jun 05, 2006
I see once again col is getting nailed in his other thread so he start another useless Bush bash thread.
on Jun 05, 2006
I also don't see the connection between the estate tax and Bush, though I am positive that COL will obligingly connect the dots for us.
on Jun 05, 2006
singrdave



I believe the exemption is $2 million per person. Thus if you had an estate of $4 million and it was divided between husband and wife, there would be NO Federal Estate Tax assuming you had the $4 million dollars of assets split equally between husband and wife prior to the death of the first person. This exemption will return to $1 million in 2012 and I would support a permanent exemption to $2 million and then index the exemption by cost of living in the future.

Thus on an estate of let's say $8 million the federal estate tax would be about $2 million or 25%.

All this does not alter the facts that this tax does not impact 99.5% of Americans and that to end this tax would cost the treasury a lot of tax revenue that is badly needed for things like defense, education, health care and homeland defense.

Look at what Bill Gates had to say. To give 12,500 estates per year this tax cut at the expense of the needs facing several hundred million people in this country, we simply can not justify eliminating this tax !!!!


IslandDog

The information in this Blog has not been shown to be incorrect. How do you claim I have been nailed? I have read other articles that document this tax only impacts a VERY small fraction of Americans.
on Jun 05, 2006
Yes, those figures were based on a single person, not on a jointly-held estate.
on Jun 05, 2006
ID:
I see once again col is getting nailed in his other thread so he start another useless Bush bash thread.

Even a stopped clock is right twice a day.
on Jun 05, 2006
The problem with your reasoning is it falls into the trap of "victim=respect"... you are trying to equate right and wrong with should be and shouldn't be considered worthy of our respect.

The fact is, there is nothing right about the estate tax. I don't care who has to pay and how much. If my parents want to pass their property on to those still alive, then they should be able to do so. Your precious nanny state should just keep their greedy little paws out of it.

Why is it that you can think of pathetic excuses why everyone else should have to pay more, except YOU!
on Jun 05, 2006
ParaTed2K

First if my estate is above the exemption I should pay the Estate Tax.

There is nothing wrong with parents passing on to their family money they have accumulated. There is also nothing wrong with taxing a portion of that money to help pay for the system that enables the people of this country to live and prosper. The issue here is that even after the estate tax, people with estates large enough to be impacted by this tax still pass on large sums to their families. It would be great if we did not need taxes but the reality is that to insure we have a viable system, many things MUST be done collectively because they are essential and WOULD NOT be done if left up to each individual.

The wealthy were able to create their wealth because of that system and the millions of average people that purchased all the goods and services by which that wealth was created. We can not continue running up the debt and continue the prosperity for both the wealthy and the not so wealthy. The benefit from keeping the Estate Tax and balancing the Federal Budget FAR out weigh any benefit to the relative few that eliminating the Estate Tax or ending the tax cuts for the wealthy.
on Jun 05, 2006
" There is also nothing wrong with taxing a portion of that money to help pay for the system that enables the people of this country to live and prosper."


That money was taxed when it was earned by the employer, then it was taxed again when it was earned by the employee, then the property that it bought was taxed, and taxed, and taxed each year, and the interest and capital gains was taxed on whatever investments were fruitful. Now, it will be taxed again as it is passed to the next generation and starts the whole process again.

You are a PR man for stick up artists, Col. A tool for crooks.
on Jun 05, 2006
I believe the exemption is $2 million per person. Thus if you had an estate of $4 million and it was divided between husband and wife, there would be NO Federal Estate Tax assuming you had the $4 million dollars of assets split equally between husband and wife prior to the death of the first person. This exemption will return to $1 million in 2012 and I would support a permanent exemption to $2 million and then index the exemption by cost of living in the future.


Sorry col NOT in PA. The exemption is $3500. Here ya go.


Pennsylvania Estate Taxes
Pennsylvania has an inheritance tax and an estate tax that is intended to absorb the difference between the inheritance tax and the maximum credit against the federal estate tax (i.e., a "pick-up tax"). The amount of inheritance tax imposed depends on who gets what after you are gone, according to the following classes of beneficiaries:

Surviving spouse: Transfers of property to or for the use of a decedent's surviving spouse are completely exempt from Pennsylvania inheritance tax.
Class A: After a $3,500 family exemption, transfers to the following beneficiaries are taxed at the rate of 4.5 percent: grandparents; parents (except that transfers from a child 21 years of age or younger are tax-exempt); lineal descendants (includes biological children, adopted children, and step-children, as well as their descendants); and the wife or widow and husband or widower of a child.
Class A1: Transfers to siblings, related to the decedent by blood or adoption, are taxed at the rate of 12 percent.
Class B: A transfer to anyone not listed above is taxed at a rate of 15 percent. However, transfers for public, government, charitable, and religious use are exempt from inheritance tax.
As far as estate taxes go, Pennsylvania's estate tax laws conform with the federal estate tax law amendments made by the Economic Growth and Tax Relief Reconciliation Act of 2001, which phases out the state death tax credit over a five-year period beginning in 2001. Starting in 2005, the state death tax credit is eliminated entirely.

Deductions. The following items can be deducted from a decedent's estate when calculating Pennsylvania estate tax liability:

decedent's debts and liabilities
reasonable and customary funeral expenses, including bequests or devises for religious services, for the care of burial lots, and the erection of monuments
administration expenses
executors' and administrators' commissions
attorneys' fees
family exemption
taxes for which the decedent is personally liable or which are imposed against property constituting part of the decedent's estate
state and foreign death taxes required to be paid in order to bring assets into Pennsylvania or to transfer them to the new owner
Returns. If the decedent was a resident of Pennsylvania at the time of death, the Pennsylvania Inheritance Tax Return (Form REV-1500) must be filed in duplicate with the Register of Wills in the county where the decedent was a resident. If the decedent was a non-resident of Pennsylvania, the return should be filed in duplicate with the Register of Wills that issues Letters Testamentary or Letters of Administration, if any. Otherwise, the inheritance tax return is filed with the Department of Revenue, Bureau of Individual Taxes, Inheritance Tax Division, Dept. 280601, Harrisburg, PA 17128-0601.

Any returns and tax payments owed are due within nine months of the decedent's death.

Generation-skipping transfer tax. Pennsylvania does not impose this type of tax.


As per usual the Philadelphia Inquirer is full of crap and you bought into it. If your estate goes to your kids they pay 12%. Wrong again col?


The information in this Blog has not been shown to be incorrect. How do you claim I have been nailed? I have read other articles that document this tax only impacts a VERY small fraction of Americans.


IT HAS NOW!!!
on Jun 05, 2006
drmiler

You ARE THE ONE THAT IS full of crap!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

The Inquirer IS NOT TALKING ABOUT the PA ESTATE TAX. Thay are talking about the FEDERAL ESTATE TAX and they are correct?



on Jun 05, 2006
Bakerstreet

NOT SO. For much of the wealth tax loop holes or outright tax avoidance has enabled many very wealthy people to avoid some or all of the income taxes on that money during their lives. In reality this tax is not on the diseased but on the persons receiving the money which THEY DID NOT EARN!
on Jun 05, 2006
"The Inquirer IS NOT TALKING ABOUT the PA ESTATE TAX. Thay are talking about the FEDERAL ESTATE TAX and they are correct?"


Lol, the col conveniently dodges the fact that we are doubly mired in taxes at both levels. Just as he does when he pretends that the wealthy all sleep on big sacks of money and none of it goes into the economy. He forgets that we pay taxes on everything we buy, our utilities, etc. The almighty Federal mafia does little for us, and takes a lot in return.

RE: loopholes, that's a crock and you know it, the majority of taxes in the US are paid by a small slice of the population, namely the rich. If you want to call paying hundreds of thousands of dollars in taxes every year "avoiding some or all" then you are paranoid. And that doesn't include the immense property taxes they pay, and the capital gains taxes they loose on their profits, and the taxes their businesses have to shell out before they even get paid.
on Jun 05, 2006
I never said the wealthy do not spend money. What I said is that they spend far less of each additional dollar then the middle income tax payer spends from tax cuts. That is called the Marginal Propensity to Consume and is a well established economic fact!

It is also true the wealthy are able to take advantage of tax loop holes and avoid paying tax. It is also true that some wealthy people especially small business owners charge personal expenses as if they were business expenses to lower their taxes. Thus the estate tax is NOT a double tax. If you want real inequities look at payroll taxes. You pay income tax on the money, pay Social Security taxes and then many people must include 85% of their Social Security benefits as income and pay a third time. Where is the outrage on this triple taxation!
on Jun 05, 2006
Gene"
The wealthy were able to create their wealth because of that system and the millions of average people that purchased all the goods and services by which that wealth was created. We can not continue running up the debt and continue the prosperity for both the wealthy and the not so wealthy. The benefit from keeping the Estate Tax and balancing the Federal Budget FAR out weigh any benefit to the relative few that eliminating the Estate Tax or ending the tax cuts for the wealthy


See, this proves my point... you seem to think that we are all little wards of the state and everything we are, we owe to Mamma and Daddy Guvmint. We are nothing without them, so we should just pony up all our money and possessions in homage to them.

News flash, it isn't about who achieved what in society.. it isn't about who can afford it better than whom. It isn't about ANYBODY.

I agree that the deficit is a problem... I also agree that it won't go away just by hoping.. however, even with tax laws as rediculous as ours, right and wrong should still enter in to it.

It is NOT right to tax dead people.

It is NOT right for the government to force someone to sell part of their estate, just to pay for another highway for KKK Byrd or another bottle for the drunk fool, Ted Kennedy.

You need to jump off the "Blame Bush Bus" and start seeing the problem for what it is... Our elected officials think just the way you do... It all belongs to THEM and we should be happy with their scraps.
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