Secret Memo Proves Bush Bent On Iraq War

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stutefish

on Mar 27, 2006

Dude, Bush's intentions were obvious from the very beginning.

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XX

on Mar 27, 2006

Source?

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Lee1776

on Mar 27, 2006

So now your claiming that Robert Novak's book is wrong? Robert Novak says Bush had not planned an invasion until three months before the invasion. So either stick to this claim or discount Novak's book, what will it be Gene? You can't have it both ways, but I'm sure your going to ignore or change subject on this question.

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thatoneguyinslc

on Mar 27, 2006

Link

Here's your source.

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COL Gene

on Mar 27, 2006

1776
Paul O'Neil proved Novak was wrong. He has stated that the Iraq invasion was a topic at the first Bush Cabinet meeting. What this memo shows is that the WMD issue that Bush used to justify the War resolution was all a sham.

As to the Source it was all over the news shows tonight. CNN and Hardball for example.

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Lee1776

on Mar 27, 2006

Paul O'Neil proved Novak was wrong.

So since your only source saying that the Generals did not get what they asked for in the invasion is Novak and his book your discrediting, are you going to stop typing that hogwash? Every General that had a part in planning of the invasion stated (and even wrote books about it) that Novak's account is wrong.

He has stated that the Iraq invasion was a topic at the first Bush Cabinet meeting.

You do know that Paul O'Neil is the only person at that meeting that heard such a thing? All the others there claim no such thing happened (to include others no longer under Bush’s command).

Both O'Neil and Novak now make a living off of these discounted stories. Your choice of references seems always to counteract each other and never seem to have anybody at the meetings supporting their claims.

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bakerstreet

on Mar 27, 2006

It's interesting how everyone has been saying all along that this wasn't about WMDs, but every time something is supposedly "discovered", these people still say "Look! It wasn't really about WMDs!!!"

It's like if they say it was about WMDs long enough, it won't matter that it wasn't. Hussein fired on our aircraft, thwarted UN mandates, abused the oil for food program, and couldn't be allowed to emerge from sanctions. Period.

So, um, since all those things predate the Bush administration, it seems logical that going to war with Iraq was something on their minds, since Hussein was doing everything possible to bait war. The only people swayed by this drek are people who don't need to be swayed.

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Daiwa

on Mar 27, 2006

Hmm. One guy's notes, uncorroborated otherwise (what does "confirmed by the New York Times and NBC News" mean, exactly)? So it's his interpretation of what was said and not an official transcript. Cherry-picked sound bites that don't sound surprising in the least to me; that Bush didn't expect the diplomatic initiative to be sucessful in persuading Saddam, that the decision to take him out would likely come sooner than later. I'm shocked, shocked. And to think that the CIC's of the two major powers of the invading force were discussing the invasion 6 weeks in advance. The nerve of those guys.

The erroneous assumption here is that planning of these sorts of things is (& was) strictly linear - that's just not true and hardly efficient. Planning has to be parallel & contingent. Gene knows that, he just doesn't care, nor do the media.

Take it for what it's worth. Doesn't "prove" anything, any more than the Killian memos proved anything. People with some pre-determined opinions found a few words that matched them & that's all they needed to sound the trumpets. Andrea Mitchell may be the former FedHed's bed partner, but there is precious little "proof" here.

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kingbee

on Mar 28, 2006

if only maxwell smart had been present.

fate really dealt bush such a cruel blow by denying him the satisfaction of witnessing an expert of smart's caliber evaluating for the first time the president's ingenious plan to disguise a u-2 to make it appear part of the un's high-tech fleet of spy planes.

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kingbee

on Mar 28, 2006

The erroneous assumption here is that planning of these sorts of things is (& was) strictly linear

the even more erroneous assumption is there was planning of any type other than what reasonable people would deem strictly nonsense.

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COL Gene

on Mar 28, 2006

First, many countries have some types of WMD. We have not and can not invade every unfriendly country with WMD.

Second, no rogue state would attack a major power for the simple reason is that to do so would bring an end to their power base. They would also not supply the WMD to a third party to be used against a major power for the weapons would most likely be traced back to their source. That would bring the same retaliation that would result if the rogue state directly attacked the major power.

Iraq did not pose a danger to the U S that justified our invasion. They had no nuclear weapons which the intelligence knew. The Bush Administration was aware there was NO nuclear program that would be capable of producing a nuclear weapon in Iraq. The mushroom cloud of Cheney was just a scare tactic. As to gas and Bio weapons, even if Saddam had these weapons he no means of delivery and had he some how found a way to employ any such agents against the United States or supplied them to a third party to use, Iraq would have been history. Saddam maintained the illusion of WMD to fend off countries like Iran and to retain power within Iraq.

The Bush invasion of Iraq was not because we were in danger from Iraq. It was all a BIG LIE to cover a policy that Bush chooses to follow from the very beginning of his administration. When members of the administration are pressed by the fact that Saddam had no nuclear program and that our intelligence told Bush that, the retort is that Saddam wanted such weapons. If we are to attack every unfriendly country that WANTS such weapons, we better start the draft and press all those illegal aliens into military service for we will be at WAR ALL OVER THE WORLD!

Yesterday a story came out that Cheney, as soon as the Florida vote Count was stopped by the Supreme Court, sent a request the Pentagon for information about Iraq and NO OTHER COUNTRY. The sources, which are military and former military generals, said they knew from day one that Bush intended to invade Iraq. That was long before 9/11!

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COL Gene

on Mar 28, 2006

First, many countries have some types of WMD. We have not and can not invade every unfriendly country with WMD.

Second, no rogue state would attack a major power for the simple reason is that to do so would bring an end to their power base. They would also not supply the WMD to a third party to be used against a major power for the weapons would most likely be traced back to their source. That would bring the same retaliation that would result if the rogue state directly attacked the major power.

Iraq did not pose a danger to the U S that justified our invasion. They had no nuclear weapons which the intelligence knew. The Bush Administration was aware there was NO nuclear program that would be capable of producing a nuclear weapon in Iraq. The mushroom cloud of Cheney was just a scare tactic. As to gas and Bio weapons, even if Saddam had these weapons he no means of delivery and had he some how found a way to employ any such agents against the United States or supplied them to a third party to use, Iraq would have been history. Saddam maintained the illusion of WMD to fend off countries like Iran and to retain power within Iraq.

The Bush invasion of Iraq was not because we were in danger from Iraq. It was all a BIG LIE to cover a policy that Bush chooses to follow from the very beginning of his administration. When members of the administration are pressed by the fact that Saddam had no nuclear program and that our intelligence told Bush that, the retort is that Saddam wanted such weapons. If we are to attack every unfriendly country that WANTS such weapons, we better start the draft and press all those illegal aliens into military service for we will be at WAR ALL OVER THE WORLD!

Yesterday a story came out that Cheney, as soon as the Florida vote Count was stopped by the Supreme Court, sent a request the Pentagon for information about Iraq and NO OTHER COUNTRY. The sources, which are military and former military generals, said they knew from day one that Bush intended to invade Iraq. That was long before 9/11!

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DJBandit

on Mar 28, 2006

#11 by COL Gene
Tuesday, March 28, 2006

Col, you must love the copy paste function of the PC don't you? I think what happens here is that if Col repeats himself enough times that he will actually begin to convince people.

I find it incredible that one guy says he heard the President say something and it's automatically true. Well, that's Col for you. The guy would vote for Hitler if he was against Bush as well.

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COL Gene

on Mar 28, 2006

If you are referring to O'Neil he has recounted the issue from him attending the cabinet meeting. He has been a loyal Republican all his life and has NO reason to make up such a story. The store today about Cheney asking for info ONLY about Iraq comes from multiple Pentagon sources. The information that Sadden DID NOT have a nuclear program has been documented by many intelligence agencies. The memo concerning the conversation between Bush and Blair six weeks before our invasion has been documented. The problem here is that those that support Bush refuse to look at ANYTHING that does not reflect well on King George!

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COL Gene

on Mar 28, 2006

If you are referring to O'Neil he has recounted the issue from him attending the cabinet meeting. He has been a loyal Republican all his life and has NO reason to make up such a story. The store today about Cheney asking for info ONLY about Iraq comes from multiple Pentagon sources. The information that Sadden DID NOT have a nuclear program has been documented by many intelligence agencies. The memo concerning the conversation between Bush and Blair six weeks before our invasion has been documented. The problem here is that those that support Bush refuse to look at ANYTHING that does not reflect well on King George!