“Ah, twisting words once again. Like I said if there was no war in Iraq the pipes in NY would be the same. Fixing infrastructure is important, but for you to try and twist it into some kind of Bush bashing is pathetic. Get some help for your Bush obsession.”


What I said is the reason what you claim is because the leadership starting with the President and Congress is not doing what is best for the long term interest of our country. They have invaded Iraq which was no danger to our country and spent a Trillion dollars , killed 3,600 and injured 26,000 but they do not rebuild the structures ESSENTIAL to the continuation of our society. That is a FAILURE of leadership and you can call it Bush Bashing but it is an accurate statement of Bush and his lack of leadership and the lack of Congressional leadership that supported the inept policies of GWB!

We elect a president to lead and solve major problems that face us. Bush has not done that!!!!!!!

i have been thinking about this gene and the steam pipes in new york are owned by a utility company of some kind.

which means that they are private property. and are not the responsibility of either the fed, the state, or the city. but of the utility company. as are all utilities in all cities in this country.

true story dan

Reply By: danielost Posted: Sunday, July 22, 2007
I have been thinking about this gene and the steam pipes in New York are owned by a utility company of some kind.

Which means that they are private property. and are not the responsibility of either the fed, the state, or the city. but of the utility company as are all utilities in all cities in this country.

I do not know who owns the steam piles in NY. It may be a private for profit utility. The issue you do not get is that the infrastructure regardless who owns it is NOT BEING replaced. When it fails the public is impacted. Tell me what would happen if a major water or sewer system collapsed and was not useable for a year or two? Tell me what would happen if a major dam burst, destroyed the communities in the wake of the water and then there was no flood control or power generation if the dam was part of the electric generation system. The amount of money required replacing many of the infrastructure items are so expensive private companies, states and cities alone do not have the revenue to fix them. The so called market place where these facilities are publicly owned are NOT replacing them. What Bush has wasted in our tax dollars on the Iraq war could have subsidized the repair of the essential facilities. He has spent Billions of our tax dollars in Iraq to rebuild their infrastructure although almost all of those Billions have need wasted and the rebuilding has not been completed successfully. The issue is not who owns the particular item but that they are ESSENTIAL and they are NOT BEING REPLACED! The issue is Bush has WASTED a TRILLION DOLLARS in Iraq that could have been used to rebuild our essential infrastructure.

The issue here is you just found something else to blame Bush for, that's it.  The war in Iraq has nothing to do with this steam pipe break, it's seriously pathetic that you can't find anything better to do than find ridiculous thing to blame Bush for.

i agree unless dictator gene is advocating that we become communist. that didn't work in Russia, not working in china. which is important because china has been living under the guise of communism long before there was communism.

I can't believe it, I just can't believe it. The fact that Col managed to blame Bush for the broken pipeline in New York truly proves to me the obsession, stupidity and ignorance of our resident troll Col gene.

For starters the responsible party is the New York Gov't not Bush. Mayor Bloomberg is the one who is responsible for fixing this. What your idiotic brain failed to notice is that NY has inspectors who check this kinda stuff often. They either missed this sucker or they reported it incorrectly. Either way, do you know the history of New Your at all? Do you know the underground system there? There are pipelines, cables, tunnels, etc. of which they have no plans for. It would be ridiculous to say that this can be fixed when chances are no one knows where half of the pipes are.

Let's be realistic here for a moment. The infrastructure under New York is enormous. Everything from steam pipelines, power lines, phones lines, fiber optic cables, sewer lines, drain pipes, tunnels, subway systems, etc. are down there. At times to fix one thing something else has to be interrupted. Then there is the streets of New York. Can you imagine trying to rebuild the infrastructure of any of these utilities I mentioned in New York? The traffic it will cause, the interruptions of service that will happen, trains may need to be stopped and to make it worse the time it will take. Even if done at night it would slow down the entire state.

Col you are being ridiculous and ignorant over some of the things you think should be done, not to mention that you also expect them to be solved before the Presidents 4 years are up. You are unrealistic and don't deserve a page this site. Too bad you can't be voted out.

I'm sorry buddy but the fact that the Gov't has a track record on being very unreliable and unable to handle the current responsibilities that it has, I seriously doubt that handing over the maintenance of the countries infrastructure would be a good idea. Last thing we need is for the Federal Gov't to put this on the back burner and decide just who gets it first and when. Responsibility should fall on the local Gov't. If we gonna place all responsibilities on the Federal Gov't, why do we need Governors and Mayors for?

And what is this obsession with letting the Gov't do everything for us? Are we that lazy and stupid that we need to be babied 24/7?

While this "may be correct". You can't lay this at Bush's feet. When a person who has NOTHING to do with the problem get blamed for it, The arguement itself becomes ignorant. Talk to the state representatives about it.




FOR THE LAST TIME....IT'S NOT THE FEDERAL GOVERNMENTS JOB TO REPLACE FAILING INFRASTRUCTURE! The states get money from the government to help with this. You can't blame GW if the states use it for something else. And BTW....That's why you pay "STATE" income tax, idiot!

FOR THE LAST TIME....IT'S NOT THE FEDERAL GOVERNMENTS JOB TO REPLACE FAILING INFRASTRUCTURE!

Hey IDIOT drmiler-- Explain that when a major infrastructure fails and thousands or millions of people have no water, sewer, electric service or their home is washed away from a Dam burst!


It was also not our responsibility to remove Saddam and spend a Trillion dollars on an unneeded war!

This was not a dam you fool. Stop talking about dams, there was no thousands of people who lost their houses here. You really are the dumbest person on the planet. A group of stupid ill informed idiots. That's what you are.

Hey JERK...name one.

i just watched a doc on the history channel this weekend about the dams in this country.

guess what they are inspected every year. non of them are going to burst tomorrow. and most of them are actually getting harder.

lets see Nebraska and Kansas this winter lost power for three months. you know what they did they brought in generates for the small towns.

41 counties in texas is/was under water this month. what did bush do about it. he declared national disaster for most of them. so don't sit there and say that bush is doing nothing. texas, as far as i know, didn't ask for help.

“- This was not a dam you fool. Stop talking about dams, there was no thousands of people who lost their houses here.”

YOU STUPID ASS

I did not say the steam pipe break was a Dam. I was talking about the various infrastructure issues that need replacing and that are being ignored. We have Sewer, water & steam systems that need work. We need Dams and Bridges as well as the Electric Grids that need replacement. ANY one of them failing could impact thousands or even millions of Americans. You are too stupid to live!

“Let’s see Nebraska and Kansas this winter lost power for three months. You know what they did they brought in generates for the small towns.”

How would you suggest the area that failed about two years ago do without electric? How would Chicago operate without a sewer system? How a major area would be impacted if a Dam burst and swept away all the homes in the path of the water. We have been lucky so far in that they things that have failed did not impact massive numbers of people or take an extended period of time to be replaced. Many of the infrastructures that are being ignored could impact tens of thousands if not millions and require YEARS to repair or replace. It is not IF but WHEN these systems will fail. They are wearing out and the money that could have replaced then was wasted by Bush in Iraq! That is a Fact no matter what asinine statements you make!