if we leave then iran will attack them.

"if we leave then iran will attack them."

Iran is already attacking them via IED's and subversive efforts. Explain what more Iran could or would do than they are already. Are you talking about a conventional war where they invade?

If they did attempt to invade by conventional means, a carrier in the gulf would get involved in short order and I don't think Iran would want to risk the United States declaring war on Iran and performing regime change in Iran. Your conclusion that they would attack is probably right but, that doesn't mean Iran would gain anything at all in doing so.

They want stability, power, and influence in the region not the United States breathing down their neck. One thing we would be in a better position to do should we leave Iraq is invade Iran if they provoked us. It would be very messy though and probably make Iraq look like a cakewalk comparatively. I could see us attacking from the skies like we did in Bosnia rather than launching a ground invasion. Maybe some special forces.

I think it is time we stop policing the world though and if Iran invades Iraq that is a sure way for the UN to step into a role as peacemaker.

of course this is what i mean.




would this be the same un that allows isreal to be rocketed by hezbollah

"would this be the same un that allows isreal to be rocketed by hezbollah"

Israel doesn't have oil or Muslims. I think if we said fuck it and let Iraq succeed or fail on its own, if it started to look like they were going to fail or be overrun by Iran the Europeans of the UN might actually do something.

If not, then so what? It's not like we haven't invested half a trillion dollars, committed the lives of our troops to 5 years of chaotic misery already. We have, and for an Iraqi congress that is not grateful, for an Iraqi prime minister who would see us go and let Iran help them out if we chose.

I say why not, so what if Iran gets an upper hand in Iraq? It doesn't benefit us to continue on a path with the plan to be involved in Iraq forever.

danielostAugust 18, 2007 07:44:56Reply #157
I'm pretty sure Bush's policy of lowering taxes has succeeded in growing the economy. Or maybe that's just a myth too.


of course it is a myth. anything good that bush has done wasn't bush ask gene boy.


The economy has grown the problem is that the growth has NOT shown up in hands of the low and most of the middle income people who keep the economy going by spending money. Most of the benefits from the Bush Fiscal and Tax policy has ended up in the pockets of the wealthy, top executives and corporate profits which only the wealthy own and benefit from. 90% of the stocks are owned by 10% of the population and thus increased corporate earnings and higher stock prices benefit the wealthy and do nothing for the low and most middle income Americans. That is the problem with the Bush tax and spend policies!

how do you grow a national economy that only effects 10% of the people.

It grows itself when there are more people. Are per capita incomes up? How about in China? I see rapid and major growth in areas in China. They will have paved the equal of our entire interstate system in a decade, and still have the bulk of their resources for other projects.

I think we have identified one of the problems being the lack of discipline on spending and earmarks, and the root of that the way in which we elect people to congress.