ever time you speak you make the congress sound less and less able to do anything.

Reply By: danielostPosted: Wednesday, November 14, 2007Congress did not propose to invade Iraq. It was Bush and his BS about Mushroom Clouds and that Saddam was a danger to our country that enabled Bush to get Congress to pass the Iraq War resolution that DID NOT require Bush to invade Iraq. It ALLOWED it as a LAST RESORT. If Bush had not sought the War Resolution predicated on the BS that Saddam was a danger there would not have been a war! ever time you speak you make the congress sound less and less able to do anything.

What I stated is the truth. Show us where Congress Declared War against Iraq or Directed the President to invade Iraq!

Many times, the United States has engaged in extended military engagements that, while not formally declared wars, were explicitly authorized by Congress, short of a formal declaration of war.
War or conflict Opponent(s) Initial authorization Votes President Conclusion
Senate House Quasi-War France 1798 J. Adams Convention of 1800 (Treaty of Mortefontaine)
First Barbary War Barbary States 1801 Jefferson
Second Barbary War Barbary States 1815 Madison
Raid of slave traffic Africa 1820
Redress for attack on U.S. Navy vessel Paraguay 1859 Buchanan
Intervention during the Russian Civil War Bolshevist Russia 1918 Wilson
Protection of Lebanon Rebels 1958 Eisenhower
Vietnam War National Liberation Front, later Democratic Republic of Vietnam Gulf of Tonkin Resolution, August 7, 1964 88-2 416-0 Kennedy, Johnson, Nixon Peace agreement signed in Paris, January 1973
Multinational Force in Lebanon Shia and Druze miltias; Syria September 29, 1983 54-46 253-156 Reagan Force withdrew in 1984
Invasion of Panama, also known as Operation Just Cause Panama Defense Force December 20, 1989 George H.W. Bush Manuel Noriega deposed
Persian Gulf War, also known as Operation Desert Storm Iraq January 12, 1991 52-47 250-183 The United Nations Security Council drew up terms for the cease-fire, April 3, 1991
2001 war in Afghanistan, also known as Operation Enduring Freedom Taliban government of Afghanistan and al-Qaida S.J. Res. 23
September 14, 2001 98-0 420-1 George W. Bush Ongoing
Iraq War, also known as Operation Iraqi Freedom Iraq H.J. Res. 114,
October 16, 2002 77-23 296-133 Ongoing

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next time give me something hard to do

Reply By: danielostPosted: Wednesday, November 14, 2007next time give me something hard to do

You have not shown where Congress directed the INVASION of Iraq. They gave Bush the OPTION to invade Iraq. Congress failed to meet the Constitutional REQUIREMENT to formally declare war before the President has the authority to actually wage war! I would like a case brought to have the Iraq War declared unconstitutional BECAUSE Congress never declared war against Iraq as REQUIRED by the Constitution!!!!!!! NO place does the Constitution give Congress the ability to allow the President to make that choice!

Iraq War, also known as Operation Iraqi Freedom Iraq H.J. Res. 114,
October 16, 2002 77-23 296-133 Ongoing

Many times, the United States has engaged in extended military engagements that, while not formally declared wars, were explicitly authorized by Congress, short of a formal declaration of war.
War or conflict Opponent(s) Initial authorization Votes President Conclusion

gee maybe you should actually read something.


korea wasn't a declared war either. a lot more people died there.

oh and that war is still on going.

what you have basically said in the last couple of posts is that congress declared war on Iraq but told bush not to attack them. man like i said the more i read what you write them more stupid the congress sounds. which then begs the question why should we trust any of those people with the presidency.

Indeed, I believe the official name is the Korean Conflict, although it is/was commonly known as the Korean War.

While your willingness to point out the numerous precedents for such military engagements to Gene is admirable, it is likely to affect Gene's thinking (I use the term advisedly) not a whit.

The Consititution doesn't give the Congress authority to impose an income tax, either, but last I checked we have one. So Gene's repeated blabbering about raising taxes is technically advocating unconstitutional action. Gene wraps his arguments in the Constitution only when it suits him.

In this one sense, Gene & I agree: powers & authority not specifically granted to the Federal Government in the Constitution should be matters of state discretion. What should be and what is are too infrequently the same, I'm afraid.

If Curveball isn't enough, read Woodward's State of Denial. You won't sleep at night. The entire WMD thing was a fraud, based on outdated and flimsy evidence. That's just a fact. At best, Bush was hoodwinked by yes men who wanted to fulfill his profecy. At worse, he lied and caused the death of thousands to persue his own agenda.

Reply By: joe-pro-photographerPosted: Wednesday, November 14, 2007If Curveball isn't enough, read Woodward's State of Denial. You won't sleep at night. The entire WMD thing was a fraud, based on outdated and flimsy evidence. That's just a fact. At best, Bush was hoodwinked by yes men who wanted to fulfill his profecy. At worse, he lied and caused the death of thousands to persue his own agenda.

You are correct. I have read that book as well. The key issue is that Bush decided to invade Iraq BEFORE 9/11 and every Intel agency was being pressed for justification for that invasion. When we were attacked on 9/11 Bush and Cheney used that attack as a way to justify the invasion despite the fact there was NO evidence that Saddam was responsible for 9/11. Cheney kept pressing the CIA for any connections and made assertion that even the CIA would not support. That did not make any difference to Bush and Cheney. They both continued to assert Saddam had an active nuclear program when the Intel said that was not the case. Bush did not use the Intel to assess the danger to our country. He tried to use it to JUSTIFY a Choice he had already made. The CIA knew before Bush invaded Iraq that the Mobile Bio Lab story was not true. Tenet and his deputy said it will make no difference; Bush is going to invade Iraq no matter what the evidence says. Yes some of the Intel was wrong but Bush and Cheney manipulated the Intel and ignored anything that did not support what they wanted to do.

Reply By: danielostPosted: Wednesday, November 14, 2007what you have basically said in the last couple of posts is that congress declared war on Iraq but told bush not to attack them. man like i said the more i read what you write them more stupid the congress sounds. which then begs the question why should we trust any of those people with the presidency.

Congress DID NOT declare war on Iraq!

Reply By: danielostPosted: Wednesday, November 14, 2007gee maybe you should actually read something.korea wasn't a declared war either. a lot more people died there.

We were part of a UN Action in Korea which is not the case in Iraq. The UN said DO NOT invade Iraq and we did it without their OK and without a declaration of War by Congress!!!!!

sorry we don't answer to the UN. the following countries and groups were getting rich off of Iraq and Saddam so of course they didn't want us to attack. France, Germany, and oh yea the united nations


how come everyone on the planet including congress says that congress declared war. and your the only one who says that they didn't. this makes you one person correct and the other 7 billion people wrong. i don't think so.