Evaluation of the policies of George W. Bush and his Republican conservatives on America.
Published on December 26, 2007 By COL Gene In Politics


When I listened to Ron Paul being interviewed on Meet the Press and while watching the Republican debates, two of the most fundamental conservative axioms we hear from Republicans were shown to be fabrications.

First is an individual make better spending choices then government.

Second is that government spending is ineffective and wasteful.

Spending Choices

Does anyone believe that if all or most spending choices were made by individuals that they would say I need to spend money to help replace that tank the 1st Armored Division needs? I will repair the section of I95 between, mile marker X and Y in George. Baby Carol Smith needs formula today and I will buy it for her. We need another border guard to stop illegals and possibly terrorists from crossing into the U.S.

The truth is none of those and many other choices that are essential for our country to survive and prosper would be made by individuals. The spending choices must be made by BOTH individuals to provide for individual needs but the needs of our society and to insure our security and to facilitate commerce, banking, law enforcement and many other items must be made collectively by government.

That is not to say that some spending choices by government, like to build the bridge in Alaska where about 50 people lived, are the best choices. However if the choice were to repair a bridge that enabled tens of thousands to get to work each day that spending choice would be sound and could be essential.

Government spending is Wasteful

In most cases when the government spends tax dollars that money returns to the economy and helps individuals and business. If the Federal Government buys that tank the 1st Armored Division needs, Americans are put to work and the companies that make the tank earn a profit. That helps the people who own the stock of the companies who make and assemble that tank. It also provides something we NEED to protect our freedom. If the Federal government adds that Border Guard, that person spends the salary they are paid from taxes and that helps the economy. An expenditure the government makes that does not help our people is the interest on the debt that is paid to foreign investors. That tax money does not return to our economy.

If an individual takes their tax cut and invests it in a business that employs people outside the U.S. that investment takes money from our economy. In that case the spending choice by an individual harms the economy. Thus these two GOP axioms above are not true and it is time the American Voters understand the true nature of Federal spending. We do need to pay for our spending and STOP deficit spending! The GOP is supporting political ideas that are NOT in agreement with the majority of Americans. As a Republican I can not understand HOW the GOP got so far from the mainstream of the American People. Most Republicans can not complete a sentence without using the word “Conservative”. The majority of Americans are NOT Conservatives.

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on Dec 30, 2007
When you document the deaths in mass numbers from starvation in Philadelphia, I will believe you. Until then, you completely lack credibility, as people CAN and DO live on the numbers that you insist are "starvation wages" in all parts of the country.


That was NOT the issue. It is what it takes to live. The $24,000 figure is not even close in the area that I have lived and that is what I know from my experience. I guess on that $24,000 you can also afford $10-12,000 for health insurance as well. WHAT BS!

I was going with the median household income (a different number, yes, I know...and I admittedly missed by $3k), but my point holds. I know a heck of a lot of people making $8 an hour who have 52 inch screen TV's, cable, and PS3's. Yes, they're in debt up to their eyeballs to get them, but that was a personal choice. Nobody twisted their arms.


If a person is making $8 per hour they can not live in the U.S. with the best possible choices. That is a FACT!

on Dec 30, 2007
. It is what it takes to live.


Right. It is what it takes to live. Meaning, they're dead. SHOW ME THE BODIES!

If a person is making $8 per hour they can not live in the U.S. with the best possible choices.


If you assume the "best possible choices" to be brand new car, surround sound system, big screen TV, state of the art computer, etc, you're absolutely right.

People making $24K a year fall into two categories, Gene. Those who will never make more than that and those who eventually will. Those who will we don't need to worry about helping, they'll find their way out. Those who won't we really shouldn't help, as they make the choices that keep them in that position.

You're absolutely right about $24 k not being much money, Gene. No question about it. But people can and DO live off of it, regularly. Not comfortably, no, but they make it. In my experience, the discomfort is what propels them to make more.

When I have had rough times with work, I have been appalled at the number of people who felt the solution was to give us money or things. Honestly, I wanted a better JOB, not things or money.
on Dec 30, 2007
If you assume the "best possible choices" to be brand new car, surround sound system, big screen TV, state of the art computer, etc, you're absolutely right.


NO I mean to have a place to live, food on the table and the basics!
on Dec 30, 2007

That was NOT the issue. It is what it takes to live. The $24,000 figure is not even close in the area that I have lived and that is what I know from my experience. I guess on that $24,000 you can also afford $10-12,000 for health insurance as well. WHAT BS!

And yet people aren't dying in the streets. How do you reconcile that?

on Dec 30, 2007
I HAVE COME HERE TO CHEW BUBBLE GUM AND KICK BUTT. AND I AM ALL OUT OF BUBBLE GUM.
on Dec 30, 2007
NO I mean to have a place to live, food on the table and the basics!


If they have no food on the table, they're dying. Duh. Please show me a disporporionately high number of homeless, or people dying in the streets. SUPPORT your assertions, Col.

My premise was and is that you CAN live on $24,000 a year. My evidence: the millions of families that do it everyday. Yes, it is sucky, and yes it means foregoing a lot of things you want (or hocking yourself up to your eyeballs at the local rent to own, but it can be done). Your premise is that they cannot. Your evidence: caps and bold typeface.

Which is more compelling?
on Dec 30, 2007
ok now either gene is lying or brad and gid is.

i guess the only way to find out for sure is for someone(gene) needs a pair of those truth glasses.
on Dec 30, 2007
ok now either gene is lying or brad and gid is.


No, I would never accuse Gene of lying.

When he shows me the bodies, I will apologize.
on Dec 31, 2007
Reply By: Gideon MacLeishPosted: Sunday, December 30, 2007
NO I mean to have a place to live, food on the table and the basics!
If they have no food on the table, they're dying. Duh. Please show me a disporporionately high number of homeless, or people dying in the streets. SUPPORT your assertions, Col.My premise was and is that you CAN live on $24,000 a year. My evidence: the millions of families that do it everyday. Yes, it is sucky, and yes it means foregoing a lot of things you want (or hocking yourself up to your eyeballs at the local rent to own, but it can be done). Your premise is that they cannot. Your evidence: caps and bold typeface.Which is more compelling?


In the two areas where I have lived in the past several years a family CAN NOT LIVE on $24,000 PER YEAR!!!!!!!!!
on Dec 31, 2007
Reply By: Gideon MacLeishPosted: Sunday, December 30, 2007
ok now either gene is lying or brad and gid is.
No, I would never accuse Gene of lying.When he shows me the bodies, I will apologize.


THE SIMPLE ANSWER IS THAT PEOPLE WITH INCOMES AT THAT LEVEL RECEIVE HELP. THAT DOES NOT MEAN KIDS DO NOT GO TO BED HUNGRY. WE KNOW MANY CHILDREN DO NOT HAVE MADICAL INSURANCE. There have been stories of seniors being unable to afford heat. Some have frozen to death. Some have been moved into shelters. There will be more of that this winter with heating oil prices up over $.85 per gallon over last year.

Compare these poor people to people like Cheney with his $1.7 Million dollar income last year. He got more of a tax cut then these poor families have to live on. There is something very wrong with that and yes there are stories about the children and elderly without food. Look at all the soup kitchens run by churches. I worked for a food bank in Florida and there were many times the demand was do high that our shelves were empty. I was president of a non profit corporation that provided low and very low income seniors with housing and helped low and very low income home owners fix their roofs and plumbing. We always had more people that needed help then we have resources to provide the help. We had a waiting list of 300 for the 72 low income apartments we had available. This was in a city were we had developments of multi million dollar homes and banks on every corner. The cars of choice were a BMW or Mercedes-Benz with a sprinkling of Rolls Royce’s. Do not tell me the rich can not afford a little moiré in taxes. The truth is the do not WANT to pay more because of pure GREED. Look up the meaning of GREED and you will see it fits what the wealthy and Bush have done!
on Dec 31, 2007
More simple unvarnished class warfare BS from Anecdotal Gene.
on Dec 31, 2007
My Bible's dictionary defines lust as an "inordinate desire or craving." Likewise, the word covet is "to inordinately desire unjust gain or another's property."[1] Webster defines lust: "1: sexual desire often to an intense or unrestrained degree; 2: an intense longing."[2] In my opinion, when searching Scripture on this topic, to lust and to covet are generally synonymous. The first well-known reference to coveting is found in the Ten Commandments: "You shall not covet your neighbor's house. You shall not covet your neighbor's wife, or his manservant or maidservant, his ox or donkey, or anything that belongs to your neighbor" (Exodus 20.17, NIV unless otherwise noted). Clearly, coveting encompasses more than sexual desire.



the real word you looking for gene is lust. and this is what you are doing. oh your doing supposedly to help others. but, what you are really doing is saying i am not as rich as brad so brad has to give up his property so that i can be as rich as him.


lots of people live off of 24,000 or less even in the areas where you lived. as i told you i can live off of a 1000 a month. perhaps not as well as you do but i don't really care. if i really wanted to be rich i could be by the end of next year.
on Dec 31, 2007
Here is some more Class warfare:

Local Report for Long Island: Executive Summary
An estimated 259,000 Long Islanders turn to a soup kitchen, food pantry or emergency shelter for help with food each year. 93,000 of them are children.
Going Hungry During Lunch Hour
21 December 2007
by Anna Kramer


A Boston law firm celebrates the holiday season with an Oxfam America Hunger Banquet--part of the fall 2007 Fast for a World Harvest--where participants get first-hand experience of the vast differences between those who have plenty to eat and those who have none.
OLDER AMERICANS ARE GOING HUNGRY
Oread Daily http://oreaddaily.blogspot.com/
It shouldn't be like this.
A recent study found that one in three older New Yorkers lived in fear
of going hungry. Many didn't know where they would find their next
meal.
The Council of Senior Centers and Services says their study in New
York City found that 35 percent of those surveyed worried that they
would not have enough to eat.


By AMY CALDER
Staff Writer 11/21/2007



enlarge Staff photo by David Leaming
IN NEED: The Rev. Arlene Tully inside the Greater Waterville Area Food Pantry in the Pleasant Street United Methodist Church on Tuesday. The food pantry and others are experiencing an increase in recipients due to unemployment and a decrease in federal donations for people in need.

from the Morning Sentinel
By AMY CALDER
Staff Writer
What is most heartbreaking to Ted Van Duysen is seeing more and more elderly people coming into his food pantry in the tiny town of Liberty.
"They can barely walk into the building," Van Duysen said.
Van Duysen has run the AM VETS Post 150 pantry for 12 years and is finding that an increasing number of people are having a hard time keeping their homes warm and feeding themselves because of the high costs of fuel, gasoline and other necessities.
"All of a sudden, I'm getting people that never even showed up at my pantry -- that I've never even heard of," he said.
"It's not been a very good two years but we keep trying; we keep plugging away."
The problem is everywhere, according to Jane Couture, director of the Greater Waterville Area Food Bank, located at the Pleasant Street United Methodist Church in Waterville.
Like Van Duysen, Couture says donations of food from the federal government are way down, prices of fuel and gas are skyrocketing, many people are out of work, and more and more people are hungry and asking for food. People who normally give to food banks are finding they can no longer afford to do that.
on Dec 31, 2007
lots of people live off of 24,000 or less even in the areas where you lived. as i told you i can live off of a 1000 a month. perhaps not as well as you do but i don't really care. if i really wanted to be rich i could be by the end of next year.


They exist not live. You and those like you are a SAD excuse for Americans. Let’s look at the definition of GREED, "Excessive desire for acquiring or having; desire for more then one needs” YES that is what the wealthy are who want to keep all their wealth-- GREEDY!!!!!
on Dec 31, 2007
Again, nothing but anecdotes, bald claims & assumptions, no evidence.
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