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Published on January 10, 2008 By COL Gene In Politics


The comments of President Bush in Israel show he does not have a grasp of the Israeli/Palestinian conflict. He said it is up to the Palestinians if they want a new state or the status Quo. The truth is it depends on BOTH Israel and the Palestinians to have ANY chance of a settlement.

The issues that have prevented a settlement will require MAJOR changes by BOTH sides. When Bush says it depends on the Palestinians he shows a lack of real understanding of the reasons why no settlement has taken place.


Israeli Issues:

Jewish settlements outside of Israel.

Freedom of movement of the Palestinians (Gaza and West Bank).

End Occupation of ALL Palestinian Territory.

Return of Palestinians to Israel.

Borders of Israel.

Jerusalem.

Palestinian Issues:


Recognize Israel’s right to exist (sign Peace Treaty).

End attacks on Israel by ALL Palestinian factions.

Accept borders of new Palestinian State.

Agree on status of Jerusalem.


Today Bush said the Palestinian state must be Contiguous. The President needs to look at a map. Gaza and the West Bank are separated by Israel. How does one create a Contiguous State given that reality? It will take agreement on ALL the above to achieve a lasting peace agreement. That means MAJOR concessions by BOTH sides and it is clear that Abbas does not have control of Hamas and Olmert is very unpopular among Israelis and it is doubtful that he could get the Israeli Government and people to accept the compromises needed on the Israeli side. If Bush had started this process 7 years ago the task would have been hard. To resole these issues by January 20, 2009 is most unlikely.

Comments
on Jan 10, 2008
Yawns....
on Jan 10, 2008
Reply By: Island DogPosted: Thursday, January 10, 2008Yawns....


You show you ignorance just like Bush!
on Jan 10, 2008
hahahhahahah Col, how is life in your cynically conceived perception of reality?
on Jan 10, 2008
Reply By: Adventure-DudePosted: Thursday, January 10, 2008hahahhahahah Col, how is life in your cynically conceived perception of reality?


A Lot Clearer then that of Bush and many on this Blog site!!!!!
on Jan 10, 2008
A Lot Clearer then that of Bush and many on this Blog site!!!!!


Yes keep telling yourself that
on Jan 10, 2008
Return of Palestinians to Israel.


if they stop killing isrealies

End Occupation of ALL Palestinian Territory.


there is no such thing

Freedom of movement of the Palestinians (Gaza and West Bank).


if they stop attacking isrealies
on Jan 11, 2008
Israeli Issues:

Jewish settlements outside of Israel.


Surely that's not an issue any more. The vast majority of Arab Jews have fled the Arab countries years ago.

Freedom of movement of the Palestinians (Gaza and West Bank).


They had such freedom of movement before 1967 and before the first Intifada. It didn't seem to help.

End Occupation of ALL Palestinian Territory.


Why? Israel was, like Jordan and Gaza and the West-Bank, carved out of Palestine. Who is to say what is "Palestinian territory" now? And how come the Jews are not "Palestinians"? They live there too, some families considerably longer than any Arabs.

Return of Palestinians to Israel.


Out of the question. Those people tried to kill the Jews and I don't think they have changed their mind about.

Also, the Jewish refugees cannot (and don't want to) return to their Arab countries of origin because they would be killed. Plus a return of refugees would simply create a situation like 1949, when the Arabs attacked despite the "refugees" being in Israel.

Borders of Israel.


The border fence will pretty much settle that issue.

Jerusalem.


The Arabs can have East-Jerusalem sans the old city. I don't see why they should get the old city just because Jordan occupied before losing it to Israel. It was British before then and Turkish before it was British. The Arabs have no claim to it other than "we have also controlled it for a few years".

Palestinian Issues:

Recognize Israel’s right to exist (sign Peace Treaty).


That didn't help. They have signed such a peace treaty. They still don't recognise the Jews' right to live.



End attacks on Israel by ALL Palestinian factions.


They should never have started.

Accept borders of new Palestinian State.


They didn't in 1948, they didn't in 1967 when Israel offered to give back the won land in return for peace, they didn't in 1994, and they didn't in 2000. I don't see how this "issue" helps at all.

Agree on status of Jerusalem.


And they won't agree. The only "status of Jerusalem" they ever agreed to was a Jew-free Jerusalem where Jewish tombstones could be used to build hotels.

on Jan 11, 2008
COL,

Can you name even a single thing Israel has to do in exchange for peace that

a) Israel has not already done or offered in the past?

and

that wasn't already status quo at a time when the Arabs attacked?

on Jan 11, 2008
A previous article of mine could be relevant here:

1. Taking land in a war is illegal.

2. Israel should have been invaded and become part of an Arab state.

3. It is unacceptable for an Arab minority to live in a state with a Jewish majority.

4. It is acceptable for Jews to live in Europe or America.

5. The Arab refugee problem is a real tragedy and must be part of any solution to the Palestine conflict.

6. It is acceptable to talk about the Palestine conflict without mentioning the Jewish refugees from Arab countries.

7. Israeli attacks that kill civilians are war crimes.

8. Suicide attacks against shopping malls and kindergartens are a legitimate weapon in a war against an occupying power.

9. Palestinian Arabs must not be forced to live outside their ancient homeland’s 1948 borders because forcing someone out of their home country is a big crime indeed.

10. All Jews should be thrown into the sea or deported to Europe and America.

11. It is perfectly acceptable for Mecca to be ruled by one group only with no access allowed for members of other religions.

12. Israeli control of Jerusalem is a crime against the Palestinian people.

13. A Jewish state is a racist concept as it promotes one group at the expensive of another.

14. Jews living in Palestine are not Palestinians.

COL, can you tell me which of these points you agree with and which you disagree with?
on Jan 11, 2008
And also relevant: the Evil Neo-Con Palestine Quiz.
on Jan 11, 2008
Also remember before they attacked the Jews they went after Jordan with the same demands.
on Jan 11, 2008
They (Arab nationalists) went after everyone who didn't give in to their demands.