Evaluation of the policies of George W. Bush and his Republican conservatives on America.
Published on October 15, 2004 By COL Gene In Politics
Fahrenheit 9/11 is over the top in some areas however, much of the material is factual and Bush 41 or others storming that Michael Moore is "this or that" does not change these facts.

Bush 41 did use his influence and his friends to get George W. into the National Guard and out of the Guard early with an Honorable Discharge that George W. did not earn! The Bush 41 connections got people to invest in the businesses of George W. that failed. It is also true that many of these investors are connected to the Saudi Royal Family and were Bush family friends. It is true that about 140 Saudi citizens were allowed to leave America days after 9/11 when Americans could not travel. It is also true these Saudi citizens were allowed to leave BEFORE law inforcement officials had a chance to fully question them. WHY? How did George W. become Governor of Texas when had accomplished almost NOTHING of note prior to becomming governor - The Bush 41 family connections.

How does someone with almost no successful business, military or governmental experience gain the endorsement for President by the GOP over people like Senator John McCain? How does a student with a "C" average in undergraduate school gain admittance to Harvard Graduate School?

George W. is a perfict example of a mediocre son who benefitted from the success of his father and the connections his father made during his life. If you were to take away the privlidge George W. had all his life, NO ONE WOULD KNOW THE NAME of George W. Bush!

Comments
on Oct 15, 2004
COL -

This is your big campaign closer? Spouting all these old, false, discredited allegations for which no shred of objective evidence exists, and denigrating the electorate of the State of Texas? Nice.

It appears the left's ammo has truly been exhausted.

Bush has McCain's vote. And your definition of "facts" appears to be open to debate.

Cheers,
Daiwa
on Oct 15, 2004
Again, you are absolutely right!
on Oct 15, 2004
Protests? Yes. Too much? Of course not. What do you expect the guy to do, be happy about it?
on Oct 15, 2004
If Dick Morris says Michael Moore was wrong, how can you still support the profiteer who exploited other people's miseries (he has yet to give a dime to those people he has exploited)?

Watch Fahrenhype 9/11, much better film and exposes the truth behind someone's so called version of truth.

Don't believe me, check out this pdf file:
Fifty-nine Deceits in Fahrenheit 9/11 by David Kopel of the Independence Institute [LINK]

Still don't believe that check out Celsius 41.11.
Still don't believe that check out Mikey is a Stupid White Man Book
Still don't believe that ask the soldier who was in Mikey's movie that was describing Phantom Limb syndrome (he is in Fahrenhype 9/11, so is the Oregon State Trooper, the School Teacher, Aunt who lost nephew).

Oh by the way that five minutes Bush sat there was just five minutes with the book right side up. I did not tell him the second plane hit until 60 seconds after he entered the classroom and sat down, than he collected his thoughts for five minutes instead of panicking little children or acting irrationally.

I keep typing: "If you are going to go after the man go after something tangiable and truthful"

Or do you support attacking someone with created facts and half-facts?

Five Minutes not Seven Minutes is how long Bush sat there or do you believe someone who has edited his films in the past to support his views?

- Grim X
on Oct 15, 2004
I am just responding to the news of the day. It was Bush 41 that was just complaining about a movien that was out this summer.

Everything in my Blog is true even though the Bushies do not like it.

My election closing include the disaster in Iraq, The price of oil, the stock market, the trade deficit, Federal Deficit, Lack of Social Security Solution and the beat goes on. My election is the Bush Record.
on Oct 15, 2004
Now there you go, by all means attack away with that, but to support someone like Michael Moore is just wrong though I am glad he said what he did because...

Narveson (Philosopher) said by having falsehood out there it can be rebutted and normal people will not go in line with that falsehood.

Though still Freedom of Speech does not mean Freedom of Libel/Slander.

- Grim X
on Oct 15, 2004
Oh by the way that five minutes Bush sat there was just five minutes with the book right side up. I did not tell him the second plane hit until 60 seconds after he entered the classroom


Am I misreading the above, Grim? Are you the one who gave Bush the bad news on Sept. 11. That's pretty impressive, if so. Or yet further evidence that you should be careful when you cut and paste.

Your list of refutation links is impressive and could simply outnumber Moore if not for the fact that there are plenty of folks he could list (Clarke, Hershe, etc.) who support many (if not all) of Moore's allegations. At best, 20% of Moore's fact claims have been reasonably challenged. What about the remainder? Or does one or two questionable facts ruin the whole barrel? Cuz if that's the game we're playing, there are quite a few of those on Bush's side too.

By the way, I agree with you that the five or seven minutes that Bush waited before acting has been a bit overblown. I don't think even Moore is claiming that he should have acted faster or that those 5/7 minutes would have made much of a difference. Moore just wonders (and, of course, speculatively projects) what might have been going through the President's mind at the time. I've certainly heard and seen (mostly liberal) folks cast aspersions on the President for this time lag, and that certainly has increased in the wake of Moore's film. But I think it is a non-issue and not something that weighs too heavily in my assessment of the President.

Other factors, however...
on Oct 15, 2004
Bungy -

I also seem to remember Kerry saying something at the time to the effect that he was beside himself on being given the news, unable to think or do anything for 45 minutes or something. So we should take the whole brouhaha over the 5/7 minutes as the meaningless cheap shot that it was.

Cheers,
Daiwa
on Oct 15, 2004
Am I misreading the above, Grim? Are you the one who gave Bush the bad news on Sept. 11. That's pretty impressive, if so. Or yet further evidence that you should be careful when you cut and paste.


Check out Fahrenhype 9/11, the teacher, the aides, the camera man, etc. all said it was five minutes not seven.

Or do you not trust people who have the 'unedited' footage?

- Grim X
on Oct 15, 2004
People who said Mikey is telling half-truths or lies:
Dick Morris
Zell Miller
Ron Silver
Sgt. Peter Damon
Sarasota School Principal Tose-Rigell
Bill Sammon
David Hardy and Jason Clarke
David Frum
Dave Koepel
Frank Gaffney
Peter King
Ed Koch
Fred Barnes
Michael Barone
Barbara Comstock
Alice Fisher
Mansoor Ijaz
CHARLES KRAUTHAMMER
Michael Ledeen
Michael Medved
Joshua Muravchik
John O'Neill
Fred Thompson
Victoria Toensing

I could list even more if requested.

- Grim X
on Oct 15, 2004

Reply #7 By: Bungy32 - 10/15/2004 3:04:20 PM
Oh by the way that five minutes Bush sat there was just five minutes with the book right side up. I did not tell him the second plane hit until 60 seconds after he entered the classroom


Am I misreading the above, Grim? Are you the one who gave Bush the bad news on Sept. 11. That's pretty impressive, if so. Or yet further evidence that you should be careful when you cut and paste.

Your list of refutation links is impressive and could simply outnumber Moore if not for the fact that there are plenty of folks he could list (Clarke, Hershe, etc.) who support many (if not all) of Moore's allegations. At best, 20% of Moore's fact claims have been reasonably challenged. What about the remainder


Bungy try "59" challenged and proven to be lies! 20 %???? Ithink you should up that figure.