Christmas for Kerry!

on Oct 28, 2004

Yes, I saw that consumer confidence had continued to head down, along with the leading economic indidators. Meanwhile, the Bush supporters continue to insist the economy is strong, even as jobs have consistently increased at a rate slower than the increase in the number of people who need jobs -- in other words, the job situation is getting worse, not better.

2

drmiler

on Oct 28, 2004

Reply #1 By: blogic - 10/28/2004 1:08:40 PM
Yes, I saw that consumer confidence had continued to head down, along with the leading economic indidators. Meanwhile, the Bush supporters continue to insist the economy is strong, even as jobs have consistently increased at a rate slower than the increase in the number of people who need jobs -- in other words, the job situation is getting worse, not better.

Can you show any proof? Because from what I'm seeing, what your saying just ain't so!

3

drmiler

on Oct 28, 2004

Christmas for Kerry!

By: COL Gene
Posted: Thursday, October 28, 2004 on Bush Truth
Message Board: Politics
Senator John Kerry must have been a very good boy. Santa just keeps the gifts comming. The statement that a group in Iraq has the missing weapons and that they have been using them in Iraq, the 20,000 increased jobless claims, the third month that Connsumer Confidence and fourth month the Leader Economic Indicators have been down documenent how the Bush policies are NOT working!

I'll ask the same of you. Can you show proof of you allegations?

4

Myrrander

on Oct 28, 2004

There is no proof but 180 proof corn liquor!

wooooooooooo

5

COL Gene

on Oct 28, 2004

drmiller & Myrrander

You do not believe the U S Depatment of Labor and the U S Department of Commerce? They are the source of the info. They are also part of the Bush administration. The issue about the weapons was on Fox News this morning. I told you about the deficit projected at $10 trillion by 2008 in an earlier Blog which came from OMB which is part of the Office of the President.

I do not know what you will believe. If you do not believe Bush, why are you supporting him?

6

drmiler

on Oct 28, 2004

Reply #4 By: Myrrander - 10/28/2004 1:20:37 PM
There is no proof but 180 proof corn liquor!

wooooooooooo

Are you drunk again?

7

drmiler

on Oct 28, 2004

Reply #5 By: COL Gene - 10/28/2004 1:39:29 PM
drmiller & Myrrander

You do not believe the U S Depatment of Labor andthe U S Department of Commerce?

Well I don't know where you got your info.....but here's where I got mine.

Link

Source: Department of Commerce,
Bureau of Economic Analysis.

Here's the main page.

Link

Nice try. Now be good and try again.

8

COL Gene

on Oct 28, 2004

These were reported by the AP. The 20,000 increase in the jobless claims was on the Web at 9:35 am today on earthlink.net. The other data was reported in the paper by AP last week

9

drmiler

on Oct 28, 2004

quote]
Reply #8 By: COL Gene - 10/28/2004 1:51:07 PM
These were reported by the AP. The 20,000 increase in the jobless claims was on the Web at 9:35 am today on earthlink.net. The other data was reported in the paper by AP last week

I don't care "who" "reported" it. It's false! My info came *STRAIGHT* from the Dept of Commerce!

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Reply #7 By: drmiler - 10/28/2004 1:45:35 PM
Reply #5 By: COL Gene - 10/28/2004 1:39:29 PM
drmiller & Myrrander

You do not believe the U S Depatment of Labor andthe U S Department of Commerce?

Well I don't know where you got your info.....but here's where I got mine.

Link

Source: Department of Commerce,
Bureau of Economic Analysis.

10

COL Gene

on Oct 28, 2004

drmiler \

Two more-

Leading Economic Indicators fell 0.3 in Aug and 0.1 in Sept. Look at www.globalindicators.org/us/latestreleases/

Consumer Confidence declined in Aug, Sept and October www.conference-board.org/economics/consumerconfidence.cfn

The economy is not better except for the very wealthy and that is the truth. We have not provided jobs for the 5 million new workers that entered the work force since Bush took office. It does not matter if you or the other Bushies acccept the reality. The poor and middle income Americans are NOT better off under Bush and with the high Oil prices and increased health care cost they are worse off than in 2000.

11

drmiler

on Oct 28, 2004

Reply #10 By: COL Gene - 10/28/2004 2:07:05 PM
drmiler \

Two more-

Leading Economic Indicators fell 0.3 in Aug and 0.1 in Sept. Look at www.globalindicators.org/us/latestreleases/

Consumer Confidence declined in Aug, Sept and October www.conference-board.org/economics/consumerconfidence.cfn

The economy is not better except for the very wealthy and that is the truth. We have not provided jobs for the 5 million new workers that entered the work force since Bush took office. It does not matter if you or the other Bushies acccept the reality. The poor and middle income Americans are NOT better off under Bush and with the high Oil prices and increased health care cost they are worse off than in 2000.

So then I take it, *you* don't believe the Dept ofCommerce? This link shows ALL economic indicators. Link This is *your* spin. I hand you verifiable facts, and you throw it back in my face.

Reply #10 By: COL Gene - 10/28/2004 2:07:05 PM drmiler Two more- Leading Economic Indicators fell 0.3 in Aug and 0.1 in Sept. Look at www.globalindicators.org/us/latestreleases/ Consumer Confidence declined in Aug, Sept and October www.conference-board.org/economics/consumerconfidence.cfn The economy is not better except for the very wealthy and that is the truth. We have not provided jobs for the 5 million new workers that entered the work force since Bush took office. It does not matter if you or the other Bushies acccept the reality. The poor and middle income Americans are NOT better off under Bush and with the high Oil prices and increased health care cost they are worse off than in 2000.

12

COL Gene

on Oct 28, 2004

I am not sure what data you are looking at but the Leading Economic Indicators are down, The consumer confidence is down and the jobless claims are up. We have added 5 Million new workers since Bush took office and have less jobs than in 2001. In addition Average weekly wages are down.

The Bush people do not acknowledge the issues that impact thr average person. Not enough jobs, higher energy costs, higer health care and prescription drug costs. Things such as productivity, and GDP growth that do not translate into benefits that impact the average worker are of little help.

The stock market sucks and the retirement statements do not look good.

13

drmiler

on Oct 28, 2004

Reply #12 By: COL Gene - 10/28/2004 2:57:48 PM
I am not sure what data you are looking at but the Leading Economic Indicators are down, The consumer confidence is down and the jobless claims are up. We have added 5 Million new workers since Bush took office and have less jobs than in 2001. In addition Average weekly wages are down.

The Bush people do not acknowledge the issues that impact thr average person. Not enough jobs, higher energy costs, higer health care and prescription drug costs. Things such as productivity, and GDP growth that do not translate into benefits that impact the average worker are of little help.

The stock market sucks and the retirement statements do not look good

Here's the indicators!:

GROSS DOMESTIC PRODUCT
Exports and imports of Government consumption expenditures and gross
Personal goods and services investment Adden-
Gross con- Gross --------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Final Gross dum:
Period domestic sumption private Federal sales of domestic Gross
product expendi- domestic Net ------------------------------ State domestic purchases \1\ national
tures investment exports Exports Imports Total National Non- and product product
Total defense defense local
------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
1994 ...................................... 7,072.2 4,743.3 1,097.1 -93.6 720.9 814.5 1,325.5 519.1 353.7 165.5 806.3 7,008.4 7,165.8 7,098.4
1995 ...................................... 7,397.7 4,975.8 1,144.0 -91.4 812.2 903.6 1,369.2 519.2 348.7 170.5 850.0 7,366.5 7,489.0 7,433.4
1996 ...................................... 7,816.9 5,256.8 1,240.3 -96.2 868.6 964.8 1,416.0 527.4 354.6 172.8 888.6 7,786.1 7,913.1 7,851.9
1997 ...................................... 8,304.3 5,547.4 1,389.8 -101.6 955.3 1,056.9 1,468.7 530.9 349.6 181.3 937.8 8,232.3 8,405.9 8,337.3
1998 ...................................... 8,747.0 5,879.5 1,509.1 -159.9 955.9 1,115.9 1,518.3 530.4 345.7 184.7 987.9 8,676.2 8,906.9 8,768.3
1999 ...................................... 9,268.4 6,282.5 1,625.7 -260.5 991.2 1,251.7 1,620.8 555.8 360.6 195.2 1,065.0 9,201.5 9,528.9 9,302.2
2000 ...................................... 9,817.0 6,739.4 1,735.5 -379.5 1,096.3 1,475.8 1,721.6 578.8 370.3 208.5 1,142.8 9,760.5 10,196.4 9,855.9
2001 ...................................... 10,128.0 7,055.0 1,614.3 -367.0 1,032.8 1,399.8 1,825.6 612.9 392.6 220.3 1,212.8 10,159.7 10,495.0 10,171.6
2002 ...................................... 10,487.0 7,376.1 1,579.2 -424.9 1,005.0 1,429.9 1,956.6 680.8 437.4 243.4 1,275.8 10,475.9 10,911.9 10,514.1
2003 ...................................... 11,004.0 7,760.9 1,665.8 -498.1 1,046.2 1,544.3 2,075.5 752.2 496.4 255.7 1,323.3 11,005.3 11,502.2 11,059.2

2001:I .................................... 10,021.5 6,955.8 1,675.3 -392.9 1,100.7 1,493.7 1,783.3 596.2 383.5 212.7 1,187.2 10,031.4 10,414.4 10,060.2
II .................................. 10,128.9 7,017.5 1,647.7 -361.7 1,060.5 1,422.2 1,825.4 610.9 388.3 222.6 1,214.5 10,136.0 10,490.6 10,173.5
III ................................. 10,135.1 7,058.5 1,613.0 -361.9 1,003.5 1,365.3 1,825.6 614.3 393.0 221.3 1,211.2 10,166.9 10,497.0 10,151.8
IV .................................. 10,226.3 7,188.4 1,521.4 -351.6 966.6 1,318.2 1,868.2 630.1 405.6 224.5 1,238.1 10,304.5 10,577.9 10,300.9

2002:I .................................... 10,338.2 7,236.9 1,568.5 -376.3 975.0 1,351.3 1,909.2 654.2 418.5 235.8 1,255.0 10,347.2 10,714.6 10,361.7
II .................................. 10,445.7 7,339.3 1,577.0 -415.4 1,008.1 1,423.5 1,944.9 676.6 431.7 244.9 1,268.3 10,431.7 10,861.2 10,461.6
III ................................. 10,546.5 7,428.0 1,581.3 -431.1 1,023.4 1,454.5 1,968.3 684.4 438.5 245.9 1,283.9 10,527.4 10,977.6 10,571.7
IV .................................. 10,617.5 7,500.0 1,589.9 -476.6 1,013.5 1,490.1 2,004.2 708.2 461.0 247.2 1,296.0 10,597.1 11,094.1 10,661.2

2003:I .................................... 10,744.6 7,609.8 1,596.6 -503.3 1,019.8 1,523.0 2,041.4 723.4 467.4 256.0 1,318.0 10,734.0 11,247.8 10,781.3
II .................................. 10,884.0 7,696.3 1,611.1 -497.6 1,018.1 1,515.7 2,074.2 761.1 506.7 254.4 1,313.1 10,899.3 11,381.6 10,929.0
III ................................. 11,116.7 7,822.5 1,696.6 -488.8 1,047.7 1,536.4 2,086.4 756.7 498.1 258.7 1,329.7 11,120.4 11,605.5 11,168.3
IV .................................. 11,270.9 7,914.9 1,758.8 -502.8 1,099.2 1,602.0 2,100.0 767.5 513.6 253.9 1,332.6 11,267.4 11,773.7 11,358.1

2004:I .................................... 11,472.6 8,060.2 1,819.7 -546.8 1,134.3 1,681.2 2,139.5 793.3 534.1 259.1 1,346.3 11,436.4 12,019.4 11,546.1
II r................................. 11,657.5 8,153.8 1,920.7 -591.3 1,167.6 1,758.9 2,174.3 804.4 541.2 263.2 1,369.9 11,598.5 12,248.8 11,693.6

NONFINANCIAL CORPORATE BUSINESS-GROSS VALUE ADDED AND PRICE, COSTS, AND
PROFITS
[Quarterly data at seasonally adjusted annual rates]
------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Gross value added Price per unit of real gross value added of nonfinancial corporate business (dollars) \1\ \2\
of nonfinancial ----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
corporate business Unit nonlabor cost Corporate profits with
(billions of --------------------------------------------------- inventory valuation and
dollars)\1\ Compensation capital consumption
Period -------------------- of employees Taxes on Net interest adjustments \4\
Total (unit labor Consumption production and ------------------------------
Current Chained cost) Total of fixed and imports miscellaneous Taxes on Profits
dollars (2000) capital \3\ payments Total corporate after
dollars income tax \5\
------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
1994 ............................................................ 3,669.5 3,832.0 0.958 0.621 0.227 0.102 0.099 0.026 0.109 0.035 0.074
1995 ............................................................ 3,879.5 3,999.1 .970 .628 .230 .104 .097 .029 .113 .035 .078
1996 ............................................................ 4,109.5 4,222.3 .973 .623 .225 .103 .096 .026 .124 .036 .088
1997 ............................................................ 4,401.8 4,493.0 .980 .626 .226 .104 .094 .028 .128 .036 .092
1998 ............................................................ 4,655.0 4,735.5 .983 .643 .226 .104 .092 .030 .114 .033 .080
1999 ............................................................ 4,950.8 5,009.9 .988 .652 .229 .105 .092 .032 .107 .034 .073
2000 ............................................................ 5,272.2 5,272.2 1.000 .672 .237 .108 .093 .036 .090 .032 .058
2001 ............................................................ 5,293.5 5,229.7 1.012 .688 .257 .124 .094 .039 .068 .021 .047
2002 ............................................................ 5,377.7 5,306.6 1.013 .679 .256 .124 .098 .034 .079 .017 .062
2003 ............................................................ 5,606.8 5,520.2 1.016 .670 .253 .123 .099 .031 .094 .024 .070

2001:I .......................................................... 5,315.8 5,295.0 1.004 .683 .248 .116 .094 .038 .073 .024 .048
II ........................................................ 5,321.3 5,259.0 1.012 .685 .254 .121 .094 .039 .072 .024 .048
III ....................................................... 5,279.1 5,199.6 1.015 .690 .260 .131 .089 .040 .066 .021 .044
IV ........................................................ 5,257.7 5,165.2 1.018 .692 .263 .126 .098 .039 .063 .016 .047

2002:I .......................................................... 5,309.6 5,237.8 1.014 .682 .259 .124 .098 .037 .074 .014 .060
II ........................................................ 5,375.6 5,299.7 1.014 .680 .256 .123 .098 .035 .078 .016 .062
III ....................................................... 5,392.8 5,330.5 1.012 .677 .254 .123 .098 .033 .079 .018 .062
IV ........................................................ 5,432.9 5,358.4 1.014 .675 .254 .124 .098 .032 .084 .019 .065

2003:I .......................................................... 5,443.0 5,366.5 1.014 .676 .257 .125 .100 .032 .082 .022 .060
II ........................................................ 5,547.8 5,463.8 1.015 .671 .252 .123 .098 .031 .092 .022 .070
III ....................................................... 5,669.0 5,579.6 1.016 .666 .252 .122 .099 .031 .098 .024 .074
IV ........................................................ 5,767.5 5,670.7 1.017 .665 .250 .121 .099 .030 .102 .026 .076

2004:I .......................................................... 5,839.4 5,711.5 1.022 .668 .249 .118 .100 .031 .106 .026 .080
II r....................................................... 5,947.9 5,763.5 1.032 .672 .249 .118 .100 .031 .111 .029 .083

NATIONAL INCOME
[Billions of dollars; quarterly data at seasonally adjusted annual rates]
------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Proprietors' Corporate profits with inventory valuation and
income \1\ capital consumption adjustments
------------------ Rental ------------------------------------------------ Current
Compen- income of Profits with inventory Taxes Bus- surplus
sation persons valuation adjustment and Capital Net interest on pro- Less: ness of gov-
Period National of with without capital consumption con- and duc- Subsi- current ern-
income employ- capital adjustment sump- miscellaneous tion dies trans- ment
ees Farm Nonfarm consump- Total ------------------------------ tion pay ments and im- fer pay- enter-
tion Profits Inventory adjust- ports ments prises
adjustment Total before valuation ment
tax adjustment
------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
1994 ...................................... 6,122.3 3,997.2 33.9 439.4 119.7 600.3 564.6 577.1 -12.4 35.7 366.4 545.6 32.2 43.3 8.6
1995 ...................................... 6,453.9 4,193.3 22.7 469.5 122.1 696.7 656.0 674.3 -18.3 40.7 367.1 558.2 34.0 46.9 11.4
1996 ...................................... 6,840.1 4,390.5 37.3 505.9 131.5 786.2 736.1 733.0 3.1 50.1 376.2 581.1 34.3 53.1 12.7
1997 ...................................... 7,292.2 4,661.7 34.2 541.8 128.8 868.5 812.3 798.2 14.1 56.2 415.6 612.0 32.9 49.9 12.6
1998 ...................................... 7,752.8 5,019.4 29.4 598.4 137.5 801.6 738.5 718.3 20.2 63.1 487.1 639.8 35.4 64.7 10.3
1999 ...................................... 8,236.7 5,357.1 28.6 649.7 147.3 851.3 776.8 775.9 1.0 74.5 495.4 674.0 44.2 67.4 10.1
2000 ...................................... 8,795.2 5,782.7 22.7 705.7 150.3 817.9 759.3 773.4 -14.1 58.6 559.0 708.9 44.3 87.1 5.3
2001 ...................................... 8,979.8 5,942.1 19.7 752.2 167.4 767.3 719.2 707.9 11.3 48.1 566.3 728.6 55.3 92.8 -1.4
2002 ...................................... 9,225.4 6,069.5 9.7 759.9 170.9 874.6 756.8 758.0 -1.2 117.8 532.9 762.6 38.2 80.9 2.8
2003 ...................................... 9,679.6 6,289.0 21.8 812.3 153.8 1,021.1 860.4 874.5 -14.1 160.8 543.0 798.1 46.7 77.7 9.5

2001:I .................................... 8,987.6 5,946.2 21.9 747.5 155.3 778.7 750.5 754.6 -4.1 28.2 565.2 725.1 52.3 98.3 1.7
II .................................. 9,001.5 5,944.6 19.2 751.5 161.7 783.1 756.0 755.0 1.1 27.1 569.9 726.3 58.4 104.8 -1.1
III ................................. 8,890.3 5,939.3 17.7 755.7 176.4 714.5 689.1 671.1 18.0 25.4 565.5 725.6 67.3 65.7 -2.9
IV .................................. 9,039.9 5,938.3 20.0 754.1 176.2 793.0 681.3 650.9 30.4 111.7 564.8 737.6 43.1 102.5 -3.4

2002:I .................................... 9,136.5 6,010.2 10.8 751.4 179.7 838.2 711.7 695.8 15.9 126.6 549.2 747.3 38.9 89.6 -.9
II .................................. 9,222.3 6,068.3 10.4 758.6 184.7 868.4 747.5 745.9 1.6 121.0 527.3 760.1 36.8 81.3 -.1
III ................................. 9,241.6 6,086.0 8.7 761.7 165.4 876.2 761.2 773.0 -11.8 115.0 526.8 771.2 38.4 78.0 6.0
IV .................................. 9,301.3 6,113.4 8.8 767.9 153.8 915.4 806.8 817.4 -10.6 108.6 528.3 771.8 38.7 74.6 6.0

2003:I .................................... 9,407.7 6,179.1 13.8 780.2 155.5 912.0 798.7 826.1 -27.4 113.3 541.3 783.5 42.8 74.8 10.3
II .................................. 9,568.8 6,245.6 24.1 801.6 144.1 986.2 823.5 824.5 -1.0 162.7 542.8 792.9 55.2 76.9 9.8
III ................................. 9,771.1 6,324.7 24.8 827.2 148.8 1,057.1 877.2 881.0 -3.8 179.9 542.8 802.0 44.5 78.9 9.3
IV .................................. 9,971.1 6,406.7 24.7 840.0 167.1 1,129.1 941.9 966.2 -24.3 187.2 545.3 813.9 44.4 80.1 8.7

2004:I .................................... 10,128.1 6,489.4 17.9 854.2 172.8 1,165.6 925.4 962.4 -37.0 240.2 554.5 823.3 40.4 82.7 8.1
II r................................. 10,251.4 6,568.0 18.9 882.5 172.6 1,173.9 940.6 988.3 -47.8 233.3 548.5 835.7 39.4 83.5 7.4

PERSONAL CONSUMPTION EXPENDITURES

[Billions of chained (2000) dollars, except as noted; quarterly data at seasonally adjusted annual rates]
------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Durable goods Nondurable goods Services Retail
------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------ sales of
Total new
personal passenger
Period con- Total Motor Furniture Total Clothing Gaso- Fuel cars and
sumption durable vehicles and Other nondur- Food and line oil Other Total Housing Medical light
expendi- goods and household able shoes and and services \1\ care trucks
tures parts equipment goods oil coal (millions
of units)
------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
1994 .................................. 5,290.7 529.4 276.2 156.8 104.2 1,603.9 821.8 218.5 151.7 18.2 397.7 3,176.6 869.3 887.1 15.0
1995 .................................. 5,433.5 552.6 272.3 173.3 111.2 1,638.6 827.1 227.4 154.5 18.7 414.1 3,259.9 887.5 906.4 14.7
1996 .................................. 5,619.4 595.9 285.4 193.4 119.6 1,680.4 834.7 238.7 157.9 18.4 432.9 3,356.0 901.1 922.5 15.1
1997 .................................. 5,831.8 646.9 304.7 216.3 127.3 1,725.3 845.2 246.0 162.8 16.9 456.6 3,468.0 922.5 942.8 15.1
1998 .................................. 6,125.8 720.3 339.0 244.7 137.6 1,794.4 865.6 263.1 170.3 16.0 481.1 3,615.0 948.8 970.7 15.5
1999 .................................. 6,438.6 804.6 372.4 280.7 151.7 1,876.6 893.6 282.7 176.3 16.4 508.6 3,758.0 978.6 989.0 16.9
2000 .................................. 6,739.4 863.3 386.5 312.9 163.9 1,947.2 925.2 297.7 175.7 15.8 532.9 3,928.8 1,006.5 1,026.8 17.3
2001 .................................. 6,910.4 900.7 405.8 331.8 163.2 1,986.7 940.2 303.7 178.3 15.2 549.2 4,023.2 1,033.7 1,075.2 17.1
2002 .................................. 7,123.4 959.6 428.7 360.7 170.9 2,037.4 958.4 316.7 180.7 15.4 566.3 4,128.6 1,062.0 1,139.3 16.8
2003 .................................. 7,355.6 1,030.6 452.1 393.5 186.5 2,112.4 995.1 330.2 182.0 15.4 589.6 4,220.3 1,076.1 1,184.3 16.6

2001:I ................................ 6,853.1 879.5 392.6 323.8 163.3 1,975.2 937.1 300.5 180.4 16.0 540.8 3,997.9 1,024.4 1,053.5 17.2
II .............................. 6,870.3 878.9 388.6 328.1 162.6 1,974.7 938.3 301.8 173.5 14.9 546.0 4,016.0 1,031.2 1,065.7 16.7
III ............................. 6,900.5 885.6 392.7 332.2 161.2 1,986.5 940.6 302.9 176.1 15.0 551.7 4,027.8 1,036.5 1,082.7 16.1
IV .............................. 7,017.6 958.7 449.4 343.0 165.6 2,010.3 945.0 309.8 183.1 14.7 558.4 4,051.2 1,042.8 1,099.1 18.5

2002:I ................................ 7,049.7 937.8 415.1 354.4 169.2 2,029.3 951.4 316.4 183.3 14.6 564.4 4,084.1 1,052.8 1,117.1 16.6
II .............................. 7,099.2 947.8 418.6 360.1 170.3 2,033.2 958.4 316.2 178.4 15.3 564.7 4,119.7 1,060.8 1,132.5 16.5
III ............................. 7,149.9 979.3 447.1 361.2 170.9 2,030.2 958.0 312.9 178.0 15.4 565.5 4,143.8 1,065.5 1,147.0 17.4
IV .............................. 7,194.6 973.4 433.9 367.2 173.2 2,056.8 965.8 321.2 183.0 16.3 570.7 4,166.9 1,068.7 1,160.5 16.6

2003:I ................................ 7,242.2 973.2 428.0 369.3 177.0 2,082.0 981.4 320.6 184.5 15.0 579.9 4,188.7 1,071.6 1,170.0 16.1
II .............................. 7,311.4 1,020.0 451.3 385.2 184.4 2,090.1 988.0 327.1 177.8 14.3 582.8 4,207.7 1,074.3 1,179.7 16.4
III ............................. 7,401.7 1,059.6 465.6 405.0 190.5 2,125.3 1,002.2 334.9 179.1 15.5 593.6 4,227.9 1,078.1 1,189.3 17.2
IV .............................. 7,466.8 1,069.7 463.5 414.6 194.0 2,152.0 1,008.6 338.2 186.4 16.9 602.1 4,256.7 1,080.3 1,198.3 16.8

2004:I ................................ 7,543.0 1,075.5 456.7 425.6 196.9 2,187.3 1,028.4 351.2 186.0 16.1 606.6 4,291.7 1,086.0 1,207.9 16.5
II r............................. 7,572.4 1,074.7 449.6 433.3 196.8 2,188.0 1,034.3 346.5 179.0 16.1 613.4 4,320.0 1,091.5 1,221.0 16.5

SOURCES OF PERSONAL INCOME

Personal income rose $35.1 billion (annual rate) in August, following an
increase of $19.9 billion in July. Wages and salaries rose $21.8 billion
in August, following an increase of $30.1 billion in July. ______________________________________________________________________

[Billions of dollars; monthly data at seasonally adjusted annual rates]
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Compensation of employees, Proprietors' Personal income receipts on
received income \1\ assets Less: Con-
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Total Supple- Rental Personal tributions
Period personal ments to income of current for
income Wage and wages persons \2\ Personal Personal transfer government
Total salary and Farm Nonfarm Total interest dividend receipts \3\ social
disbursements sala- income income insurance
ries
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1994 ................................................ 5,842.5 3,979.6 3,232.1 747.5 33.9 439.4 119.7 950.8 716.8 234.0 827.3 508.2
1995 ................................................ 6,152.3 4,177.0 3,419.3 757.7 22.7 469.5 122.1 1,016.4 763.2 253.2 877.4 532.8
1996 ................................................ 6,520.6 4,386.9 3,619.6 767.3 37.3 505.9 131.5 1,089.2 793.0 296.2 925.0 555.2
1997 ................................................ 6,915.1 4,664.6 3,877.6 787.0 34.2 541.8 128.8 1,181.7 848.7 333.0 951.2 587.2
1998 ................................................ 7,423.0 5,020.1 4,183.4 836.7 29.4 598.4 137.5 1,283.2 933.2 349.9 978.6 624.2
1999 ................................................ 7,802.4 5,352.0 4,466.3 885.7 28.6 649.7 147.3 1,264.2 928.6 335.6 1,022.1 661.4
2000 ................................................ 8,429.7 5,782.7 4,829.2 953.4 22.7 705.7 150.3 1,387.0 1,011.0 376.1 1,084.0 702.7
2001 ................................................ 8,724.1 5,942.1 4,942.8 999.3 19.7 752.2 167.4 1,380.0 1,011.0 369.0 1,193.9 731.1
2002 ................................................ 8,878.9 6,069.5 4,976.3 1,093.2 9.7 759.9 170.9 1,334.6 946.7 387.9 1,282.7 748.3
2003 ................................................ 9,161.8 6,289.0 5,103.6 1,185.5 21.8 812.3 153.8 1,322.7 929.9 392.8 1,335.4 773.2

2003:Aug ............................................ 9,208.9 6,327.3 5,131.2 1,196.1 24.8 825.0 148.2 1,314.2 922.7 391.5 1,346.4 777.0
Sept .......................................... 9,243.7 6,349.4 5,145.3 1,204.2 24.9 833.1 152.8 1,310.4 918.6 391.8 1,352.1 779.2
Oct ........................................... 9,276.6 6,377.9 5,167.1 1,210.8 24.8 835.6 158.9 1,317.4 925.0 392.4 1,343.9 781.9
Nov ........................................... 9,337.9 6,421.0 5,202.4 1,218.6 24.7 838.8 166.5 1,325.7 932.1 393.5 1,348.1 786.9
Dec ........................................... 9,375.3 6,421.2 5,197.3 1,223.9 24.5 845.7 175.7 1,334.4 939.0 395.3 1,360.2 786.3

2004:Jan ............................................ 9,404.1 6,461.1 5,221.4 1,239.8 18.5 844.3 174.1 1,335.5 937.6 397.9 1,371.7 801.1
Feb ........................................... 9,445.9 6,490.3 5,241.3 1,249.0 17.8 852.2 172.6 1,337.0 936.2 400.8 1,380.5 804.4
Mar ........................................... 9,484.9 6,512.4 5,254.8 1,257.6 17.5 866.0 171.8 1,338.8 934.8 404.0 1,384.7 806.3
Apr r.......................................... 9,542.3 6,544.3 5,282.6 1,261.7 18.3 875.3 172.0 1,345.4 938.2 407.1 1,396.6 809.5
May r.......................................... 9,592.1 6,579.6 5,312.5 1,267.1 19.0 882.2 172.8 1,352.2 941.7 410.6 1,400.6 814.3
June r......................................... 9,615.7 6,584.4 5,313.6 1,270.7 19.5 889.9 172.9 1,359.4 945.1 414.3 1,404.1 814.6
July r......................................... 9,635.6 6,620.0 5,343.7 1,276.3 12.0 890.8 171.6 1,363.4 945.6 417.8 1,396.4 818.7
Aug p.......................................... 9,670.7 6,646.7 5,365.5 1,281.3 8.5 892.1 159.9 1,367.3 946.0 421.3 1,418.1 821.9

FARM INCOME

According to the preliminary forecast issued in February 2004, gross
farm income in 2004 is forecast at $255.1 billion, and net farm income
at $47.6 billion.
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[Billions of dollars; quarterly data at seasonally adjusted annual rates]
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Income of farm operators from farming
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Gross farm income
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Period Cash marketing receipts
--------------------------------------- Value of Direct Production Net farm
Total \1\ Livestock inventory Government expenses income
Total and Crops \2\ changes \3\ payments \4\
products
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1994 .......................................... 216.1 181.4 88.3 93.1 8.3 7.9 164.8 51.3
1995 .......................................... 210.8 188.2 87.2 101.0 -5.0 7.3 171.2 39.6
1996 .......................................... 235.8 199.4 92.9 106.5 7.9 7.3 177.9 57.9
1997 .......................................... 238.2 207.9 96.5 111.4 .6 7.5 186.9 51.3
1998 .......................................... 232.4 196.4 94.2 102.2 -.6 12.4 185.9 46.5
1999 .......................................... 234.5 187.7 95.7 92.1 -.2 21.5 187.4 47.1
2000 .......................................... 241.3 192.1 99.6 92.5 1.6 22.9 193.4 47.9
2001 .......................................... 248.3 200.1 106.7 93.4 1.1 20.7 197.7 50.6
2002 .......................................... 230.7 195.1 93.8 101.3 -3.3 11.0 193.4 37.3
2003 .......................................... 256.9 211.6 105.5 106.2 .8 15.9 197.6 59.2
2004 p*........................................ 255.1 215.0 100.7 114.3 2.0 10.3 207.5 47.6

2002: I ....................................... 229.4 184.5 89.5 95.0 -3.1 21.6 182.9 46.5
II ...................................... 227.0 197.9 92.4 105.5 -3.4 4.1 196.2 30.7
III ..................................... 226.5 196.9 96.2 100.7 -3.3 4.7 195.2 31.2
IV ...................................... 239.9 201.0 97.2 103.8 -3.4 13.5 199.3 40.6

2003: I ....................................... 269.3 208.9 106.6 102.3 .8 31.4 195.1 74.1
II ...................................... 254.9 218.8 108.1 110.7 .8 5.9 204.3 50.6
III ..................................... 242.2 206.8 106.5 100.3 .8 6.8 193.1 49.1
IV ...................................... 261.1 212.1 100.7 111.4 .8 19.7 198.1 63.1

2004: I p*..................................... 268.4 217.9 100.0 117.9 2.0 20.2 210.3 58.0
II p*.................................... 252.9 218.8 101.8 116.9 2.0 3.8 211.2 41.7
III p*................................... 248.3 214.2 102.4 111.8 2.0 4.4 206.8 41.5
IV p*.................................... 250.8 209.1 98.6 110.4 1.9 12.7 201.8 48.9

REAL GROSS PRIVATE DOMESTIC INVESTMENT

In the second quarter of 2004, according to revised estimates,
nonresidential fixed investment in chained (2000) dollars rose $34.9
billion (annual rate) and residential investment rose $21.1 billion.
There was an increase of $61.1 billion in inventories following an
increase of $40.0 billion in the first quarter. ______________________________________________________________________

[Billions of chained (2000) dollars; quarterly data at seasonally adjusted annual rates]
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Fixed investment Change in private
------------------------------------------------------------- inventories
Gross Nonresidential -----------------------
Period private ------------------------------------
domestic Total Equipment Residential
investment Total Structures and Total Nonfarm
software
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1994 .................................................. 1,099.6 1,042.3 689.9 232.3 467.2 364.8 63.6 52.0
1995 .................................................. 1,134.0 1,109.6 762.5 247.1 523.1 353.1 29.9 41.3
1996 .................................................. 1,234.3 1,209.2 833.6 261.1 578.7 381.3 28.7 21.7
1997 .................................................. 1,387.7 1,320.6 934.2 280.1 658.3 388.6 71.2 68.5
1998 .................................................. 1,524.1 1,455.0 1,037.8 294.5 745.6 418.3 72.6 71.2
1999 .................................................. 1,642.6 1,576.3 1,133.3 293.2 840.2 443.6 68.9 71.5
2000 .................................................. 1,735.5 1,679.0 1,232.1 313.2 918.9 446.9 56.5 57.8
2001 .................................................. 1,598.4 1,629.4 1,180.5 306.1 874.2 448.5 -31.7 -31.8
2002 .................................................. 1,560.7 1,548.9 1,075.6 251.6 826.5 470.0 11.7 13.5
2003 .................................................. 1,628.8 1,627.3 1,110.8 237.4 879.2 511.2 -.8 -1.1

2001:I ................................................ 1,670.3 1,678.2 1,234.4 313.8 920.8 444.0 -7.8 -13.5
II .............................................. 1,637.4 1,640.5 1,190.2 310.6 879.2 450.1 -2.5 -1.1
III ............................................. 1,592.6 1,621.9 1,169.3 315.1 852.9 452.1 -29.9 -31.1
IV .............................................. 1,493.4 1,577.0 1,128.2 284.9 843.8 447.8 -86.7 -81.7

2002:I ................................................ 1,552.5 1,559.6 1,099.8 270.7 830.1 457.8 -7.4 -11.9
II .............................................. 1,553.7 1,545.9 1,072.4 253.9 820.6 470.3 7.9 16.1
III ............................................. 1,569.2 1,546.6 1,069.5 243.0 829.8 473.6 22.7 24.6
IV .............................................. 1,567.3 1,543.5 1,060.9 238.9 825.5 478.5 23.8 25.3

2003:I ................................................ 1,564.0 1,552.7 1,060.5 230.7 834.6 487.3 9.6 9.6
II .............................................. 1,577.6 1,593.4 1,090.6 238.7 856.7 497.9 -17.6 -15.7
III ............................................. 1,659.4 1,660.6 1,131.1 237.9 899.7 523.8 -3.5 -2.7
IV .............................................. 1,714.1 1,702.7 1,161.0 242.4 925.6 535.9 8.6 4.6

2004:I ................................................ 1,764.5 1,721.4 1,173.0 237.7 943.7 542.5 40.0 34.5
II r............................................. 1,842.9 1,778.3 1,207.9 241.7 975.5 563.6 61.1 58.8

THIS is what I'm looking at. And *everything* I've posted shows your statements to be false!
Except for possibly the Consumer Confidence Index

14

COL Gene

on Oct 28, 2004

All your data is for the economy overall. Because our poplualton is growing the issue is per capita data adjusted for inflation. When you look at the average family adjusted for inflation, the poor and middle income families are NOT BETTER OFF than in 2001.

15

drmiler

on Oct 28, 2004

Reply #14 By: COL Gene - 10/28/2004 3:38:18 PM
All your data is for the economy ov

Excuse me, but were we *not* talking about the overall economy?
Your words not mine. now can you explain how the overall economy is good for some and not others? Face it. This is part of your campaign to make the sitting president look bad.

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