We had a president who went by poll numbers to decide national and foreign policy already.....His name was Clinton...

The job of the President is to make policy decision that are in the best interest of this country regardless of poll numbers, opinions, etc.

You may not agree with them...but that is the reality of the position. If the position of the president decided along poll numbers and national or international opinion( a la Clinton) what you have in essence is a feel good commander in chief never willing to address hard decisions without worry if his poll numbers would slip.

the leader who does not reflect the basic wishes of the people whom he is leading cannot be effective for very long. George Bush is not leading this country where the majority of the people would like to go. It is true on a specific issue the president may have to act contrary to what the majority would like. However over time if the president's policies are out of sync with the needs and wishes of the majority of Americans we no longer have a democracy. Between 75-80% do not agree with the actions of Congress and Bush in the Schiavo case. They see it as pandering and pure politics

Um, yeah. What you are neglecting to mention is those SAME polls showed basically the SAME thing before and during the election.

So, by your reasoning, the vast majority of Americans don't want Bush in office. They either A) were too stupid to use a voting machine or Thought Kerry was an even bigger threat.

Either way, he was elected, the polls are meaningless, and while he is in office he is President and gets to make decisions without asking your permission. Maybe if you and the rest want to defeat his replacement, you oughtta get started finding someone worth a damn to run against him.

WHATEVER YOU DO, you most certainly shouldn't thwart the democratic process by denying his legitimacy and trying to undermine the confidence in a President that WON THE ELECTION, and won't be running again.

That's what so insipid about your posts, Col, they are totally wasted effort. They aren't going to taint the next person running like you probably think they will, and you simply cannot effect Bush's actions without undermining the very Democracy you pretend to care about.

" the leader who does not reflect the basic wishes of the people whom he is leading cannot be effective for very long. George Bush is not leading this country where the majority of the people would like to go."

Then why do they keep electing him, Col? Where are the riots in the streets? Face it, the people you speak for are LAZY, and really don't care enough to get up out of their chair to change anything. Everyone else you DON'T speak for, and I think it is the majority, polls or not, are fine with the way things are going.

I don't know how someone with a military background can have this kind of attitude toward governent. Once someone is in office, you don't try to undermine their efforts. Your chance to have things the way you wanted them was during the election.

When you got orders that you didn't agree with from a commanding officer you didn't like, did you do your best to sabotage them? Did those who agreed with you band together to undermine his efforts and stall the process? No, it would have been treasonous to do so. How is this different?

Let the man do his job, and save your efforts for the next election.

Bush was reelected for two reasons. First Kerry did not put up a good fight for the presidency. And second the Republicans were very clever in utilizing a fundamentalist Christian issue to get out the vote and reelect George Bush because of it. Placing the issue of gay marriage on 11 state ballots was key to Bush's success. It a brilliant political strategy. He was not elected in 2004 because people support his policies or because he has been effective in dealing with the many issues that face this country. The truth is almost nothing that he has touched is worse than it was in 2000. It doesn't matter with you look at- jobs, deficit, Social Security, energy, Trade or the way the rest of the world looks at us. Political discord at home has never been greater than it is under George Bush. So he was not elected for his achievements he was not elected for his policies nor was he elected because he has found solutions to the issues at hand. He was elected by a clever political maneuver and because the Democrats did not put up a very attractive candidate.

polled by liberals, for liberals and not counting a single republican.... and still hanoi john got his azz kicked, poll them numbers.

BakerStreet -

You DO see the pattern of misdirection here, don't you? I marvel at your patience.

Cheers,
Daiwa

"You DO see the pattern of misdirection here, don't you? I marvel at your patience."

Oh, sure, I see that, AND the double standard when polls go in the Presidents favor and Bush-haters poo-poo them. I do, though, think the Col is a smart guy, and I think he is shoveling the kind of propaganda that most Democrats swallow whole. Sadly, reality doesn't seem to be what they are interested in.

They simply don't want the last election to be over. Poor them...

Col. Gene: But the fact remains, HE WON.

So, should Democrats act as if the election never happened, work to undermine public confidence, sabotage every effort he makes? To me, it sounds like you are implying that unless the person you choose wins the election, you don't have to respect the authority. How would that work in the military?

"Oh, sure, it was a direct order, but the guy is a creep and I disagree with him."

Bush is the President, not some dictator that needs to be taken out of power by force. To undermine his efforts is to work against the authority of the Presidency.

I just don't see what you have to gain by this constant stream of tirades. No matter how well you do, he isn't going to lose the next election, because he can't run again. You can't stop him from doing anything, because he doesn't need your permission.

So, what's the point?

Col Gene, apparently your style of leadership is to go with whatever is going to get you the most popularity. Fortunately for the country, Prs. Bush has more integrity and brains than that.

If you want to look back at "errors" in November, why not read up on what could have been an illegal vote certification in Milwaukee and Milwaukee county. I wonder how you anti Bush folks would feel if it turned out that laws were broken in favor of Prs. Bush?

The people who run the polls in the city of Milwaukee never completed or turned in the supporting documentation for the votes in Milwaukee. Milwaukee County then certified the vote. Without the supporting documentation, the vote should never have been certified.

But of course, those are facts, and I've never known you to let a little thing like facts come between you and a good anti Bush rant. ;~D

How do you call a 3% difference in the final vote tally kickin someones a** Mod? Does that mean Al Gore kicked dubyas a**? in 2000?

Damn, you righties didn't learn anything did ya? Much like your president. More than half of the country doesn't buy the BS.

The point of the matter is that as much as it kills some of my fellow dems to say it. dubya actually *WON* this time around. But by the slimmest of margins. He should remember that. But apparantly he is now alienating those who voted him back in.

Pardon the Schadenfreude (shameful joy) but those of you who voted him in and are now regretting it are getting what you deserve.

One last thing. Outside of Mod, i don't know of too many righties around here who haven't taken a cheap shot at bubba. And yet you all whine and cry about the lefties taking shots at dubya.

I've said it before, and i'll say it again...

Don't get off the bench if you can't handle a shot in the nuts once in a while!

Ted? "Brains??" BWWWWWWWAAAAAAAAAHAHAHAHAHAHHHH! That's too funny mannn!

How do you call a 3% difference in the final vote tally kickin someones a** Mod? Does that mean Al Gore kicked dubyas a**? in 2000? Damn, you righties didn't learn anything did ya? Much like your president. More than half of the country doesn't buy the BS.

YOUR the one that didn't learn anything. "LESS" than half of the country. More than half and Kerry would be president. I don't call 5 million a "slim" margin. If you do then it's a good thing your not a math teacher. BTW we take shots at "bubba" because we think he deserves them!

Parated2K

You claim it is fortunate to have a president who used his own mind rather than listen to the people. Problem is the results that have been produced by Bush using his own mind are negative. His solutions have not worked. He is not balanced the budget. He has not created jobs necessary or created a level playing field for American industries. He has not dealt with the trade deficit or border security. He has not dealt with the energy crisis or proposed solutions to the funding issues of Social Security, Medicare and Medicade. So although he has ignored what the majority want and used his own ideas, they have not worked for the benefit vast majority of Americans. How is that good leadership?

Col, it doesn't take a poll to know that Bush is a mistake. But, these asshole jingoists here will stand by their man no matter what catastrophe he brings down on this country, and others. Morons here. Total dipshits

Typical retreaded crappola Miler. I'm not suprised at all. 5 million out of a total vote of over 100 million is a pretty slim margin.

I forgot that you righties have your own math. Here's the breakdown...

dubya's approval ratings have been measured anywhere from 49% to 43%. Lets median that out at 46% for the sake of fairness. That means that 54% of the country doesn't like the job he's doing. I can't imagine why that is? Can you?

Let's go over the list shall we?

1. Economy is still in the toilet
2. Osama is still on the loose.
3. 1400 + dead in Iraq...No end in sight. Insurgents still running amuck. "coalition of the willing" not so willing anymore. Bailing.
4. Personal liberties are evaporating
5. Federal government mucking up states rights (Schiavo) I thought states rights were a big issue with you folks?
6. Wholesale outsourcing of prime jobs to 3rd world countries
7. Unsecure borders
8. Massive shortfalls in military recruiting
9. Attempted dismantling of Social Security (pissing off the elderly in the process, who put him in the gig in the first place)
10.Patriot act being attacked by his own party
11.North Korea has long range nukes, no solution in sight.
12.Downward spiraling deficit
13.Having to hire pundits and fake reporters to lob soft questions at press briefings, and writing biased newspaper articles.
14.Skyrocketing oil prices
15.Repeated violations of confidentiality by the TSA followed by a coverup, still no effective screening process of cargo planes.

And you folks blindly follow dubya and spout the party line, and criticize anyone who disagrees with you and your "president"

I think the COL has a few valid beefs. And i also think history will reflect how big of a fraud your "president" truly is.

I can't help but wonder what else is going on that the press hasn't picked up on yet.

Thatoneguy, you forgot to mention hiring a gay playmate for karl rove, that being gannon, who also functioned as the softball pitcher in press conferences, and allegedly leaked the Plame name to the press. In other words, completely subverting the press to serve their own selfish interests. If all of this isn't fascism, then mussolini was a democrat.

I just hope that some day these jingoistic idiots here will realize that the dubya dummy they support is not a republican, is not conservative, is not fiscally responsible, and is a criminal in every sense of the word. He's a lying, deceiving, stupid criminal, and the historians will not be very kind to him.

"Let's go over the list shall we?"

Yeah, all those things were spouted about before and during the election too. I guess the misdirection tactics aren't working. People don't believe all this exaggerated garbage.

Look at dabe's posts. That's the Democratic party in a nutshell. Oddly enough, I'm not worried about people that deranged ever being considered valid politically.