Gen Blum said the situation in the Guard is more dangerous than al Qaeda.

Your mouth is more dangerous than Al Qaeda. Anybody can say anything, as you routinely prove. Did Glen Blum happen to back up that statement with fact?

In addition for the first time 52% of employers said they would not hire Guard Members who had the possibility of being called to active duty.

That's discrimination and it's against the law. Try again.

Recently the Governor of Kansas said that the response of her guard forces was impaired to deal with the recent tornadoes and had to obtain personnel and equipment from other states.

Her statements were made before she ever made a request for anything more han FM radios.

You must have a giant ass to tryand pull all of this out of.

Her statements were made before she ever made a request for anything more han FM radios.

You must have a giant ass to tryand pull all of this out of.


It is your Mouth that is the problem. Again you are not arguing with me but with the highest ranking officer in the National Guard and that is what HE said to Congress. Face IT BUSH is destroying this country including the National Guard.

I do not believe members of the National Guard are a protected class under the discrimination laws. However even your limited intellect must be able to understand the negative impact on business when members of their work force are placed on active duty to the extent they have been in Iraq!

we took care of this in another thread you idiot it was a lie in that thread and it is a lie in this thread



the army was downsized during the clinton idiocy

so the army put all/or most of its support into the guard and reserves

which means when you go to war you have to have support

which means in this case you have to use the guard and the reserves


and the only ones trying to destroy this country is the democrats or haven't you been paying attention

just becouse you start a new thread with an old lie does not make it true now does it

We took care of this in another thread you idiot it was a lie in that thread and it is a lie in this thread. Then you are calling the Governor of Kansas a lire.


The army was downsized during the Clinton idiocy Hay FOOL-- the Plan to downsize the Military was completed by Dick Cheney during Bush 41.

The downsizing plan developed by the Republicans was started during Bush 41 and continued through Clinton. YOU ARE A PERFECT ASS!



Which means when you go to war you have to have support

Which means in this case you have to use the guard and the reserves


This was an OPTIONAL WAR. WE were NOT attacked nor were we in any danger of being attacked. Even in WWI Ike did not attempt to invade Europe until he had the troops and equipment needed. It took from 1942 to June 1944 to amass the men and equipment needed. Bush on the other hand invaded Iraq which required 500,000 troops with 150,000 which has brought the current Civil War and the operation in al Qaeda in Iraq.

Yes Bush and people like you who support that sorry idiot are destroying this country. Just look at the Amnesty plan Bush wants past. IT STINKS! He has all the laws he needs to safeguard our border but has NOT enforced the existing laws of our country. He refuses to request the Border Guards and equipment needed to stop people from coming into the United States even after 9/11. He should be IMPEACHED for so many reasons it would take a page to list all the reasons!

I love it when people on this Blog site argue with the people with the knowledge about a particular issue. The head of the National Guard. Governors, many have said the same thing about the condition of the Guard as Gen Blum. Everyone is wrong if what they say in any way makes KING GEORGE look bad. The truth is GWB makes himself look WORSE then anyone could. Just look at his most recent stand on the Amnesty Bill. Look at the news conference he had with Blair where he said what we did in Iraq was correct. Anyone that can see what the results of our invasion of Iraq has done and say we did the right thing should be committed to an insane asylum!

yes



wrong idiot



and what do you call 9/11

and what do you call it when saddam attacks our fighters



all wars are optional

tell me some more lies dictator col. gene




name one high crime that he has commited

Then you are calling the Governor of Kansas lire.


yes

I guess all the other Governors that have said the same thing about the condition of the Guard and all the State Guard Commanders are also not telling the truth just YOU! What a FOOL you are!

The army was downsized during the Clinton idiocy Hay FOOL-- the Plan to downsize the Military was completed by Dick Cheney during Bush 41.


Wrong idiot No you are WRONG. The plan was laid out by Cheney as Sec def to use the so called "Peace Dividend" from the collapse of the Soviet Union. Clinton followed that plan and that is the truth even though it may not fit into your warped mind!


All wars are optional. The more you post the more stupid you look. WWII and Korea were OPTIONAL? When PIGS FLY!


Violated the FISA ACTFailed to enforce the laws of the United States as he pledged to do in his oath of Office.Lied about the danger Saddam posed this country and started an Illegal and un- warranted war.Caused the death of 3,500 American Troops.Caused the injury of over 25,000 American troops.BY THE WAY A PRESIDENT CAN BE impeached for High Crimes and Misdemeanors (a Misdemeanor is an offense less then a felony).

Your reasons, not facts or actual crimes.  Big difference.

Your reasons, not facts or actual crimes. Big difference.

Anyone that believes starting a war predicated on lies that killed 3,500 Americans is not a High Crime or Misdemeanor has lost their mind. There can be no greater crime then to cause the useless death of American Military and that is what Bush has done!

The other reasons I listed are true and are crimes i.e. breaking the law (FISA) and failure to enforce the laws and violate the oath of Office are surely crimes! If the majority of Congress acted, Bush could be OUT of the White House and back on the ranch very soon!

we could choice not to go to war



this was a un war not a us war it was just our people dieing there and it was also an optional war which is still a war





then everyone man and woman in washington should be impeached




not a crime



congress declared war so the war is illegal



again not a crime




this is also not a crime



you didn't quote all of the other governors and/or commanders did you





i stated it was down sized during the clinton idiocy during which time clinton stated several times he did not want an army at all

as i stated just becouse you start a thread with a lie it doesn't make it real

dictator col. gene

Gene, I could out-smart you any day of the week.

You can't lay this all on Bush. You get to lay a lot of the decisions that have been made during the war on him good or bad but the decision to go to war and the reasons for it were made and analyzed by lots of other people.

No one here is asking you to jump up and kiss Bush's ass. I'd just like it, for once, if you didn't twist the facts.

A little research would have told you that The National Guard is protected under Federal Anti-Discrimination laws.

Protected Classes
Description
Year WI Adopted
Federal Laws
Race
Generally, a member of a group united or classified together on the basis of common history, nationality or geography
1945
Title VII

Color
Black to white and all colors in between.
1945
Title VII

Creed
Religious, moral or ethical beliefs about right and wrong that are sincerely held. Employer has “duty to accommodate.”
1945
Title VII

Ancestry
The country, nation, tribe or other identifiable group from which one descends.
1945
Title VII

National Origin
Generally a member of a nation by origin, birth or naturalization or having common origins or traditions.
1945
Title VII

Age
Being age 40 or older.
1959
ADEA

Sex/Gender
Being Female or Male.
1961
Title VII & ERP

Handicap Or Disability
Physical or mental impairment making achievement difficult or limiting work capacity or having a record of or being perceived as having a disability. Employer has “duty to accommodate.”
1965
ADA

Arrest/Conviction Record
Information indicating a person was questioned, arrested, charged or convicted of a felony or misdemeanor.
1977
N/A

Marital Status
Status of being married, single, divorced, separated or widowed.
1982
N/A

Sexual Orientation
Having a preference for heterosexuality, homosexuality or bisexuality or having a history of or being identified as having a preference.
1982
N/A

Military Reserve Membership
Member of the National Guard, states defense force or other state or federal reserve unit.
1987
N/A

Outside Lawful Products
Use or nonuse of lawful products (e.g., tobacco, alcohol) off the employer’s premises during nonworking hours.
1992
N/A

And have been since 1987...WWW Link

Maj. Gen. Tod Bunting, the state's adjutant general, said the Kansas National Guard was equipped to about 40 percent of its necessary levels, down from the 60 percent it had at the start of the war. About 850 soldiers have deployed to Iraq and Afghanistan.

I'll link the whole article. It's from MSNBC not FOX. They were only equipped to 60% at the start of the war so all of the 40% numbers sound a bit more silly when the drop wasn't 60% it was 20%. Gov. Sebeluis knew her statements to be untrue when she made them even if she never made the supposed call to Brownback. The Guardsmen on the ground there had what they needed. WWW Link

I know you will ignore this comment and move past it because it contains truth.

You are right what employer would hire a potentially active Guard member. The real probability is most of them aren't looking for jobs and if they are employers can't discriminate against them.

The Gov. in Kansas made those statements. She said it but that doesn't make it true. They people on the ground say different for sure and not some politically motivated mouth piece in Washington. The numbers aren't as dramatic as the sound when you shout the Guard is only at 40%.



You know what. I don't really like Bush or what is going on right now. I wish Military families were going to spend this day and every other one together. I may agree with the reasons for war but I don't agree with the way it was run.

You can be opposed to everything about Bush. You just don't have to lie to prove your point. Yeah, he isn't going to be looked upon as a great or probably even good President. At least he'll have a few crappy ones before to be compared to.

Tell the truth.

we are talking about dictator col. gene here aren't we

there are only two men who lie more than him that i know of

1 is clinton

2 is my dad

started an Illegal and un- warranted war


congress declared war so the war is illegal


Caused the death of 3,500 American Troops


again not a crime



Caused the injury of over 25,000 American troops


this is also not a crime


Causing the unjustified and unneeded death and injury of American Troops is a High Crime. It is the WORST thing any President can do!!!!!!!!!

there are only two men who lie more than him that i know of

1 is clinton

2 is my dad
Bush and Cheney lie so often they no longer know the difference between truth and a lie!

You can't lay this all on Bush. You get to lay a lot of the decisions that have been made during the war on him good or bad but the decision to go to war and the reasons for it were made and analyzed by lots of other people.

This is the problem with you argument:

Bush was the one that insisted on invading Iraq. We were not attacked. Congress did not declare War. Bush Lied about the danger to this country from Saddam and got Congress to pass a resolution that said, "AS A LAST RESORT" Bush could invade Iraq. Not only was our invasion NOT the LAST RESORT but the danger from Saddam was not real. Even if Saddam had ALL the non-nuclear weapons Bush claimed, that does NOT justify an invasion. He had no ability to use such weapons outside Iraq and he ONLY used Gas in the past within Iraq. In fact the CIA advised Bush that he would only use WMD as a defensive measure if attacked by an outside power or against an internal opponent to remain in power.

The choice to invade Iraq with less then 1/3 the troop levels needed was Bush. The generals including Franks said the 150,000 Bush sent was not enough and the facts on the ground have proven Bush was WRONG and the Generals were correct.

Bush allowed the disbanding of the Iraqi Army, Police. Amb. Brenner said that was the decision of the White House. Thus Bush made the MAJOR decisions that has created the mess in Iraq and placed our troops in the middle of a Civil War and allowed foreign terrorists to set up operations in western Iraq! I know Bush does not make every single decision but he made the BASIC choices that have placed our Military in a NO WIN situation and are responsible for 3,500 dead Americans and 25,000 injured!