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You see, this is the kind of bull I can't stand from people like you Sean. Did you notice that the story is about how Iraq is not doing it's part to make things better? How come is it that no one is screaming at the Iraqi Gov't? How come is it that no one is saying "the US is trying but the Iraqi Gov't is failing"? How come the Iraqi Gov't is getting "get out of jail free" card when they are the ones failing to control their own country? This is the same crap as the "al-qaeda was never in Iraq" bull. So what? Does it matter if they were in Iraq before or not? Al-qaeda existed before the Iraq war and they will continue to exist after we go home. Why? Because some people will just never be satisfied with anything. No one cares that al-qaeda is in Iraq now, what they care is that we do not let them hurt us. This whole argument is stupid, we are ignoring the true problem (the terrorist, the insurgent, all those who want us dead) because some people here want to make everything political. Had this been a Democratic president I bet you (Sean) would be defending everything he does in Iraq. Nothing but a bunch of political bull-shitters if you ask me.

Keep ignoring al-qaeda, keep doing exactly what they want you to do. I hope we leave Iraq tomorrow, that way they can make fun of us, how cowardly we are for not seeing things thru and then start killing us here. Maybe then we will wake up and realize that this is not about Democrats and Republicans but about our survival as Americans.

We do have a REAL problem defending our country against the radical Islamic faction. The problem is that the Iraq War has not been effective if accomplishing that mission. In fact we have tied a large portion of our military and financial resources up in a Civil War that we can not win and that will not provide a defense against the radical elements in the Moslem world. Look at Afghanistan. We NEVER finished the job and now the situation gets worse every day. The activity in Iraq of both al Qaeda and Hezbollah was not a threat under Saddam. It is today and even if we could eliminate those two foreign terrorist groups in Iraq, they have so many other locations the danger would be just as great. That is why when Bush says if we do not WIN in Iraq al Qaeda will continue to plan attacks and bring the fight to America he is full of BS. I got news for Bush. We are in Iraq with 160,000 troops and both al Qaeda and Hezbollah are operating in Iraq TODAY and they continue to plan attacks against the U.S. and other western countries like England. Bush said our continued presence in Iraq is giving the Iraqi Government the time they need to take over their own defense. The truth is that is NOT happening. We have trained 350,000 Iraqi Military and Police and the government in Iraq has not accomplished the needed political changes to even begin to settle the issues causing the secretion violence. Then just what is our continued fighting in Iraq doing? Getting more of our troops killed, injured and spending 12 Billion per month.


Bush has the BALLS to threaten to VETO the defense appropriations bill if it contains an added 1/2 % pay increase to our military. That is just about the most outrageous thing I have scene. Congress needs to pass the defense appropriation with the cut off of funds in spring for Iraq and the added pay increase for our military. If Bush veto's the bill and the GOP members continue to refuse to override the Veto, Congress needs to send the SAME appropriation back to Bush with the message-- It is the responsibility of Congress to approve spending and if you continue to veto that spending bill you will be forced to END all operations in Iraq when you have no spending authority. NO more BS with Bush. He needs to be made to understand this is not a Dictatorship and that it is Congress not the President that sets the terms of how and how much our government can spend!

To underscore the fact the danger is greater from terrorist attack Sec. of Homeland Security Chertnoff just said he believes the danger from a terrorist attack in the U.S. is GREATER now. How can that be since we are fighting them in Iraq so they do not follow us home? That is what Bush and Cheney have told us!

you see the problem here

our troops are losing a war and the democrat liberals want to wait until spring to pull them out.

or they want to wait until next october to pull them out to get votes.

i have said this before if the war is as bad as they claim then why are they waiting 9 to 18 months before they want to pull the troops out

Reply By: danielost Posted: Wednesday, July 11, 2007
You see the problem here

Our troops are losing a war and the democrat liberals want to wait until spring to pull them out.

Or they want to wait until next October to pull them out to get votes.

I have said this before if the war is as bad as they claim then why are they waiting 9 to 18 months before they want to pull the troops out “

Because the GOP has enough VOTES to prevent Democrats from ending this war. Bush has again said he will VETO any Congressional action to remove our troops. This is NOT a problem for the democrats but Bush and the GOP. The GOP will pay in November 2008 if the continue to defy the will of the American People. 71% want us OUT of Iraq!

yeah, the truth hurts, i'm sure charles. people that you can't stand, like me,
were pointing out that this was a bad idea BEFORE we invaded. and what was foreseen was exactly what has happened.



nonsense. and juvenile nonsense at that. it's unfortunate that our country has so much vein pride and ego that they continue to want to lead with their face. you don't get it dan...this isn't some contest or game in macho...the terror war is an ideological struggle that has no military answer, period. the iraq war was just an ill conceived idea that a bunch of knee jerk politicians allowed to happen. we brought the terrorists to iraq, not the other way around.

the bullies have been us, trying to impose our will on them historically. and this administration did it once again in Iraq, despite the warnings.

no one has talked about "hiding" or anything of the sort. and you show yourself to be the real coward by refusing to actually frame the debate in any realistic terms and just continue to throw what you think is "tough talk." it's not dan, it's the crippled, bankrupt spewings of a moron.



more nonsense. who's ignoring al-quaeda? stop being a liar.

“It’s too hard we can’t do anything so let’s all run home and hide under the bed maybe the bully won't find us”


We can NOT stop a Civil War in a country of 26 Million People with 160,000 troops. Bush was told to prevent this civil war he should send 500,000 troops when Saddam was removed. He failed to listen and we now have an out of control Civil War as well as at least two foreign Terrorist groups operating in Iraq. It is not run and hide. It is the realization that we have put our military into a situation without the resources to do the job. We have also helped establish a civilian government that can not make the political choices to enable the sectarian violence to come to an end. Nothing General Petraeus can say in September will change the fact that the Iraqi Government has NOT done its part to end the fighting! That together with less then 1/3 the needed troops insure FAILURE in Iraq.

LOL, you really are funny at times Sean. You thought it was a bad idea because people like you don't want Republicans to be right. You guys never gave Iraq and the Iraqi people a chance, probably the reason they don't care. You condemned them to stupidity from day 1. Never did you believe that they could become better people, never did you believe they could stand up for themselves, never did you believe they deserved better. What do you care, right? It wasn't the Democrats who would have gotten all the glory if this would have turned out better. It was obvious terrorist would follow us to Iraq, but it was expected that the Iraqi people would not want to have themselves blown up just to get to us, it was expected that they would resist, that they would want to live with a bit more freedom and a bit less tyranny. But how could they think of themselves as better people when we see them as cavemen, as people who if blown up by a nuke they couldn't be sent any further back to the stone age than they already are. I find it ironic though, to think that Democrats pray on the poor and useless to gain votes, you would think a country like Iraq would be a blessing for them. Instead you turned your backs on them from day 1.



Liar? Funny, ever tried for "America's got talent"? I need not to prove my point, you do a great job all by yourself every time you reply.

no charles, you are the joke here.

democrats? 6 republicans voted against the iraq war. i'm not a democrat. colin powell wasn't a democrat when he reported that iraq was effectively boxed in and no threat to anyone before 9/11. non interventionists like me were warning what would happen and non intervention happens to be a conservative philosophy. my reasonings and theirs have nothing to do with what the democrats wanted and their reasoning. but you don't know anything beyond the partisan rhetoric you parrot.

like i said in other posts, if we turned this thing up, 160,000 of our guys would be overkill.

you crybabies would pee your pants.

sorry sean, its brutal to say, but everything has a military answer, we are fighting people who will never feel the way we do about life. in the end, it really is all we can do. if we don't fight, you can try to explain to them that you were on their side. "i was rooting for you the whole time, i tried to tell these idiots."
they will laugh at you, and cut off your head. they hate you just as much as they hate me.

we will never agree on this stuff, but i have the nuts to stand up and fight, not coddle and pander. its not vein pride and ego, its called self esteem and self preservation. it used to be considered natural, but i guess you guys are smarter that that now.

Oh wow, 6. What a big number. I mean gosh, what will we ever do. You keep telling yourself that you are right Sean. I wouldn't want to disrupt you genius and infinate wisdom.

You gotta understand Sean. He doesn't believe that defending ourselves and fighting the enemy is a solution to anything. What does that leave us with? They don't have any solution, they don't give any solutions. But we are lest with one alternative other than fighting. Surrender. Give in. If they want us dead, we should let them kill us. If they think Britney Spears is insulting to their religion, we should hand her over so they can stone her to death. One this is for sure, they do love American dollars when it comes to buying their oil. It's probably the only acceptable American thing in their minds. Man, talk about similarities, they like American money almost as much as our politicians do.

nonsense...it's about time someone informed ya that bloviating bravado doesn't equal toughness.



again more nonsense. not wanting to invade arabia and favoring a non interventionist policy where we effectively isolate the bad guys until they learn to play nice is not pacifism. seeing our foreign policy in the region for what it is realistically is not "rooting for them." you think just denying that we have fucked up in that region for a very long time by continuously trying to impose our will on them while we exploit their resources for our benefit will make it all go away? it won't. and trashing people like me, who are hardly liberals, aren't democrats and have a grasp on reality got old about 2 years ago.

as i've told people here before, most recently rightwinger...let em try and invade here and i'll fully utilize my 2nd amendment rights. but that won't happen as long as the NRA has ensured that this nation is armed to the teeth. you think the neighborhood's in baghdad are rough? that would look like disneyland if they tried to invade us. think about it...every neighborhood in this nation is chock full of hunters, ex military, gun enthusiasts and a whole lot of others who have em "for home defense." not only are we fully armed, we have homegrown strategists with experience in organizing military operations.

notice i don't depend on my military to defend or protect me. although i expect they would do what they do as well. but my peace of mind (or piece of mind to some) comes from the American people, not my government.

in iraq, we can't impose our will on them no matter how hard we try. why? not because we don't have a superior military...but because they don't want us to. we will be their enemy, if not for a very long time, forever. and we won't become their friend in this operation. and sooner or later, we will have to leave. and they will have to settle their own old scores,,,and it will be a mess, whether it happens today, or 5 years from now. and the best we can hope for at this point is to contain it...redeployment is the only option. and we must get the regional powers to sign on to containing it. not that they won't at least covertly get involved..just like we would if our allies were in such a conflict. and maybe, just maybe...if we pull out of the cities and redeploy to a containment position and finally, after all these years of outsiders and saddam keeping them from anhilating each other will cause them to wake up finally and see the nowhere path it leads to.

maybe not,,,but the results will probably play out the same whether our inevitable departure happens now or later.

so, if we can agree that no fool would be dumb enough to actually try to invade us, all they are left with is terroristic acts of punkiness. and sorry, that garbage doesn't scare me 1 bit. was 9/11 a tradgedy? of course it was. did al qaeda and the taliban who harbored them and the nation they ruled deserve to be hit? of course they did. and that's why even the arab countries supported the effort, including iran. it was consistant with their philosophy that we should be able to settle the score of an unjust attack. and i, and many others who warned about iraq supported the afghanastan invasion as well as a genuine step up on our vigilance against such punks.

but scared of them to the point i'd sacrifice any part of my own way of life or stand pat as the government used those punks to infringe upon my rights? never.

fear and anger can make people do very dumb things in this life unfortunately. and fear and anger caused us to make a horrific blunder in invading iraq. but people are slowly but surely waking up to that, and perhaps someday, you shall too.

to really win this war, we will need to outsmart them, not try to out-tough them on their own turf...again. because we will fail...again.

this is how i see it we should no longer be backing the Iraq government.


but we should be backing the Iraqi people who are starting to stand up against AL quid and other insurgents.


the government is whacked, the people are not.