You guys are wasting your time. Col does not understand the concept that when a group of people are determined to cause chaos and disaster that they will always find ways to do it. The police in the US would be considered a failure by Col gene's standards because we still have crime and crime grows every once in a while. But our police system is not a crime stopping system, it's a crime prevention system. But Col does not understand that. Our counter-terrorist system is a terror preventing system, not a terror stopping system. Col is just too old and short a few screws to understand. I still find it amazing he finds his way here everyday and manages to write articles at all. But you may notice that his article barely ever get past one paragraph with maybe 5 to 10 lines. It would be a strain to what's left of his brain to write anymore than that.

From the NYT Scott Shane

"In many respects, the NIE suggests, the threat of terrorist violence against the U.S. is growing worse fueled by the Iraq war and the spreading Islamic extremism." “After years of war in Afghanistan and Iraq, and terrorist killings in Yemen, Pakistan and else ware, the major threat to the U.S. has the same name and the same look as in 2001."

"The stark declassified summary contrasted sharply with the more positive emphasis of President Bush and his top aides for years... that the invasion of Iraq would reduce the terror menace and that the U.S. had its enemies on the run."

NBC reported that as we spent most of our time and effort in Iraq, al-Qaeda rebuilt their network in Afghanistan and Pakistan as well as set up operations in Iraq under the nose of our military forces. Thus al-Qaeda has not only rebuilt but expanded their operations at the same time we lost 3,600 troops, suffered 26,000 injured and spent 1/2 Trillion dollars in Iraq. The Bottom line is that the way Bush has been fighting the Terrorists has not worked and has even resulted in their ability to expand into new locations and to recruit thousands more people and the Iraq War is the major reason for their success.

This NIE is DAMMING to our current approach and shows that Bush and company have not been telling us the truth when he said we have our enemies on the run. The NIE debunks that lie BIG TIME!! We need to get out of the Civil War in Iraq, turn it over to the Iraqi Military and police and concentrate on the real danger like al-Qaeda and Hezbollah.

By MARK MAZZETTI and DAVID E. SANGER
Published: July 18, 2007
WASHINGTON, July 17 — President Bush’s top counterterrorism advisers acknowledged Tuesday that the strategy for fighting Osama bin Laden’s leadership of Al Qaeda in Pakistan had failed, as the White House released a grim new intelligence assessment that has forced the administration to consider more aggressive measures inside Pakistan.

Pakistan’s president, Gen. Pervez Musharraf, in Turbat recently. His strategy in tribal areas has been criticized by President Bush’s advisers.
The intelligence report, the most formal assessment since the Sept. 11 attacks about the terrorist threat facing the United States, concludes that the United States is losing ground on a number of fronts in the fight against Al Qaeda, and describes the terrorist organization as having significantly strengthened over the past two years.

In identifying the main reasons for Al Qaeda’s resurgence, intelligence officials and White House aides pointed the finger squarely at a hands-off approach toward the tribal areas by Pakistan’s president, Gen. Pervez Musharraf, who last year brokered a cease-fire with tribal leaders in an effort to drain support for Islamic extremism in the region.

“It hasn’t worked for Pakistan,” said Frances Fragos Townsend, who heads the Homeland Security Council at the White House. “It hasn’t worked for the United States.”

While Bush administration officials had reluctantly endorsed the cease-fire as part of their effort to prop up the Pakistani leader, they expressed relief on Tuesday that General Musharraf may have to abandon that approach, because the accord seems to have unraveled.

But American officials make little secret of their skepticism that General Musharraf has the capability to be effective in the mountainous territory along the Afghan border, where his troops have been bloodied before by a mix of Qaeda leaders and tribes that view the territory as their own, not part of Pakistan.

Now you are getting your "analysis" from the NYT's and NBC.....LOL!  You keep misrepresenting what the NIE actually says.  How many times can you be proven wrong and still move forward?

Yo-Yo. Your title says "NIE shows". Not some news paper.
And so, once again proven wrong!

Like I said, a waste of time.

Now you are getting your "analysis" from the NYT's and NBC.....! You keep misrepresenting what the NIE actually says. How many times can you be proven wrong and still move forward?

You are like Bush- in denial. Every news outlet said the same thing CBS, NBC, CNN, NYT They are all wrong? -- You are so full of BS IT IS COMMING OUT OF YOUR EARS!

Sorry Col, but I don't trust the analysis of the NIE or anytihng to do with national security to any of those libera leaning "media" outlets.  Once again you have misrepresented something and are being called on it.

My step-son gave me a calendar of Bushisms. This is the one from today:

"I glance at the headlines just to kind of get a flavor for what's moving. I rarely read the stories, and get briefed by people who are probably read the news themselves” GWB September 21, 2003.

"Once again you have misrepresented something and are being called on it.”

I DID not misrepresent anything and you DID not prove me incorrect. You are in denial!

Prove ANY of these statements incorrect:


Failed to safeguard our borders and ports.

Failed to provide the needed funding for first responders.

Failed to destroy the al-Qaeda operations especially in Afghanistan and Pakistan.

Diverted our resources to Iraq that has enabled al-Qaeda et al to have yet another base of operation in Iraq.

Provided a recruiting tool to radical Islam by invading and occupying Iraq.

OK



Actually the Democrats are partially responsible because they have not approved the funding for the fence yet. Read
here titled Democrats Slow to Approve Funding for Border Fence.



OK you got this.



Actually he did destroy their operations in Afghanistan, that is why they are in Pakistan now. It took them this long to regroup, no thanks to the Pakistani Gov't. But of course don't blame them for not being helpful.



There is no base in Iraq as far as I know. Al-qaeda is not as strong in Iraq as you wanna believe. They are just taking advantage of the fighting between the factions.



You can't give them something they already had.

There I did it. How do you like that?

Of course you did, and that's why you don't link directly to the NIE because it doesn't say what your analysis is.  You have already had to use quotes from liberals newspapers to back your story up.  LOL. 

Failed to safeguard our borders and ports.


“Actually the Democrats are partially responsible because they have not approved the funding for the fence yet. Read
Here titled Democrats Slow to Approve Funding for Border Fence.”

I said prove it is not true. Bush spend 5 years after 9/11 not enforcing existing laws and did not request the funding from the GOP controlled Congress for the manpower or fence/equipment.

“Actually he did destroy their operations in Afghanistan that is why they are in Pakistan now. It took them this long to regroup, no thanks to the Pakistani Gov't. But of course don't blame them for not being helpful.”

Then how has al-Qaeda reconstituted itself as the NIE states? The truth is we never finished the job in Afghanistan and not al-Qaeda is as strong as before 9/11 per out intelligence estimate.

You can't give them something they already had. The NIE clearly said the Iraq war was the main reason al-Qaeda was an able to recruit new converts that are willing to attack the U.S.

You have just shown you can not disprove any of the points I made.

“Of course you did, and that's why you don't link directly to the NIE because it doesn't say what your analysis is. You have already had to use quotes from liberal’s newspapers to back your story up. .”


EVERY news agency is saying the very same thing. You are full of BS. All you can ever say is if its is a liberal newspaper or TV network by your definition they misrepresent the truth. It is Bush and his spin doctors that twist the truth. The NIE clearly shows Bush has failed to reduce the threat from al-Qaeda. The Sec of Homeland Security is running around warning of another attack on the U.S. this summer. How is that possible if we have destroyed al-Qaeda?