Drmiler and Moderateman

By Monday looting ( that is civil unrest) was taking place. That provided the ability for Bush to act. I said the national Guard did not appear until Saturday in the nembers needed. I did not say Bush should send them. When it became clear help was not comming late monday or tuesday, and the looting was all over and NOT under the control of local officials, Bush had the power to act and sat on his A**.

NEVER was the action of IKE challenged and Bush had both the power and the president to ACT. HE FAILED!

If Bush had acted to upgrade the levees and surrounding area the way HIS study said was needed, we may have averted this. My point, Bush had NO intention to EVER address the needs in that area as proven by the fact he cut the funding that had been in place. He can spend $300 billion in Iraq but not 30 Billion to protect the nations Largest port!

If Bush had acted to upgrade the levees and surrounding area the way HIS study said was needed, we may have averted this. My point, Bush had NO intention to EVER address the needs in that area as proven by the fact he cut the funding that had been in place. He can spend $300 billion in Iraq but not 30 Billion to protect the nations Largest port!

Wrong again col. Even if construction was scheduled it wouldn't have been completed for years, and it's already been said that it wouldn't have prevented any of this disaster. This is just another pathetic attempt to use a disaster to bash Bush.

Why didn't the local governments fund projects if it was so bad? They spend hundreds of millions on a new sports arena, but not to fix this problem?

"I was NOT TALKING ABOUT THE NATIONAL GUARD. I WAS TALKING ABOUT THE ACTIVE MILITARY THAT ARE NOW PART OF THE FORCES IN THE AREA! The Coast Guard did a fine job."

The Coast Guard is active military, if I am not mistaken. Why not redefine what you were talking about to be everyone that wasn't there. Then you're sure to be telling the truth. You can't pin this on Bush, no matter how hard you try. Trying to do just ranks you alongside whiners like the mayor of New Orleans.

You've shifted from the levees breaking, to aid, and now it seems all you have left is looting to bitch about. We see how you react to the military enforcing evacuations. I'm sure you would have been all in favor of 10k+ soldiers walking the streets of New Orleans, enforcing martial law...

Anyone can see your tactics here, Col. Condemn, dodge, shift outrage and condemn again, and hope most of the people don't have the attention span to read any retort. Myrrander is doing the same thing now. You've decided that the energy it takes to back up your assertions is better spent posting more lies.

If Bush had acted to upgrade the levees and surrounding area the way HIS study said was needed, we may have averted this. My point, Bush had NO intention to EVER address the needs in that area as proven by the fact he cut the funding that had been in place. He can spend $300 billion in Iraq but not 30 Billion to protect the nations Largest port!

Let start with you keep missing the facts that money was sent for that purpose all along. And "where" did it go? Try a new sports complex. Now on to other things.

By Monday looting ( that is civil unrest) was taking place. That provided the ability for Bush to act. I said the national Guard did not appear until Saturday in the nembers needed. I did not say Bush should send them. When it became clear help was not comming late monday or tuesday, and the looting was all over and NOT under the control of local officials, Bush had the power to act and sat on his A**.

By Monday, "if" state (governor) and local (mayor) had "done" what they were supposed to and evacuated the people. There wouldn't have been many looters left would there? And yet again proven wrong. You first stated that you weren't speaking of the "national guard", now you say you are. Could you please make up your mind?

"I was NOT TALKING ABOUT THE NATIONAL GUARD. I WAS TALKING ABOUT THE ACTIVE MILITARY THAT ARE NOW PART OF THE FORCES IN THE AREA! The Coast Guard did a fine job."

I said the national Guard did not appear until Saturday in the nembers needed

Law Enforcement does not have the legal authority to remove people from their houses without a warrant. They do have the authority to evacuate people from public lands, people who are in the process of commiting crimes,etc. and to keep people from reentering. I suspect the city and state are currently looking to find a way to legally force evacuations, however "forced" evacuations are not as of yet actually occuring.

Oh, another opportunity to nail every C.O.L. Gene response as "Trolling" and hit him with those negative points at every opportunity.

What a two-faced lieing sack of crap - and I'm not talking about Gene's favorite target, I'm talking about the guy that Gene sees in the mirror every morning.

Law Enforcement does not have the legal authority to remove people from their houses without a warrant. They do have the authority to evacuate people from public lands, people who are in the process of commiting crimes,etc. and to keep people from reentering. I suspect the city and state are currently looking to find a way to legally force evacuations, however "forced" evacuations are not as of yet actually occuring.

Don't be so sure on that.

University of Florida law professor Michael Allan Wolf said a fundamental legal concept is "the obligation of the government to protect the public health, safety, morals and general welfare." This concept has been used to move people to save them from disease or to move them from dangerous situations such as living beneath a dam that's about to break. While some New Orleans residents are in dry houses, Wolf said, the government has other questions it must confront: "Where are these people going to be putting their human waste? Are these people self-sufficient?" The Fourth Amendment to the U.S. Constitution prohibits "unreasonable searches and seizures." But even constitutionally guaranteed rights sometimes conflict, Wolf said, and occasionally "some rights have to yield to others." "None of the property rights that we have is absolute," said Wolf. But in the streets of New Orleans, the unanswered question is: What happens next?

Man, I don't get what you want, dude. First you complain about people being stranded in the city amongst all the filth and the looters, but now that people are being given a way out that's not right for you either.

Seems to me (from a relative outsiders point of view) that you're just looking for things to complain about and blame on the President.

Seems to me (from a relative outsiders point of view) that you're just looking for things to complain about and blame on the President.

You're just now figuring that out?

Seems to me (from a relative outsiders point of view) that you're just looking for things to complain about and blame on the President. You're just now figuring that out?

(said with tongue in cheek trying like hell not to laugh) She is after all a "woman". Having said it, RUNS away as fast as he can laughing hysterically!

Ike was wrong you idiot! He used the Constitution as toilet paper and now you sit there licking it up just to force a stupid 'bash bush' point.

Is there no end to your ability to degrade yourself just to try to make Bush look bad?

I bet you sat and applauded the shootings of Randy Weaver and the burning buildings outside Waco must have been porn to your diseased mind. Both were illegal and unconstitutional.. but then again, you and the Constitution never did get along did you.

No the money to upgrade the area as outlined was NEVER provided. In late 2001, Bush began diverting Engineer funds for New Orleans to other uses. By 2004, work had stopped!

From ther start, my point was that since the local and state officials cound not control the looting or anything else for that metter, Bush had the power to send FEDERAL TROOPS. When Ike sent Federal troops into Alabama it was before the civil unrest began. He first federalized the Alabama National Guard and ordered then to remain in their barracks. At the same time he sent in the 82nd Airborne Division so that there WOULD NOT BE any civil unrest. The civil unrest in New Orleans already existed and Bush did not act. This is a failure the president, governor and mayor.. It is also a failure of the federal government to adequately protect the most important port by not following the recommendations to strengthen the levees etc. Bush had no intention of ever dealing with the needs of that area the same way that he does not deal with most other needs in that this country. He would rather run off into Iraq and spend $300 billion and kill a lot of Americans then help the people in the United States. That is a disgrace and anybody that supports that policy is a disgrace as well.

No the money to upgrade the area as outlined was NEVER provided. In late 2001, Bush began diverting Engineer funds for New Orleans to other uses. By 2004, work had stopped!

It wouldn't have made a difference col.

Bush had no intention of ever dealing with the needs of that area the same way that he does not deal with most other needs in that this country. He would rather run off into Iraq and spend $300 billion and kill a lot of Americans then help the people in the United States. That is a disgrace and anybody that supports that policy is a disgrace as well.

You are a disgrace col. Iraq has nothing to do with this disaster. This is just another pathetic attempt by you to blame Bush for everything that happens in the world. What about the local governments col? Why didn't they spend the money? It's all Bush, Bush, Bush. Nothing else matters to you. How sad.

From ther start, my point was that since the local and state officials cound not control the looting or anything else for that metter, Bush had the power to send FEDERAL TROOPS. When Ike sent Federal troops into Alabama it was before the civil unrest began. He first federalized the Alabama National Guard and ordered then to remain in their barrac. At the same time he sent in the 82nd Airborne Division so that there WOULD NOT BE any civil unrest. The civil unrest in New Orleans already existed and Bush did not act. This is a failure the president, governor and mayor.. It is also a failure of the federal government to adequately protect the most important port by not following the recommendations to strengthen the levees etc. Bush had no intention of ever dealing with the needs of that area the same way that he does not deal with most other needs in that this country. He would rather run off into Iraq and spend $300 billion and kill a lot of Americans then help the people in the United States. That is a disgrace and anybody that supports that policy is a disgrace as well

Yeah well, "your" point is missing the point. Had the state and locals done their "job" they wouldn't have had this problm, would they. I don't care "how" you try to spin this, you can't change the facts.

You're just now figuring that out?

I was trying to be nice about it. I wanted to say that i thought CG's a feckin' eejit, but thought that I'd try and be a little gentler.

She is after all a "woman". Having said it, RUNS away as fast as he can laughing hysterically!

Yeah, you'd better run!!!!! Be glad I have this back brace on and I'm injured......LOL