Say what your SMALL minds can handle

Take your overinflated mind and stick it. That's pretty much the level of debate you work at.

Hardly fair:Murtha tells us many of the "average" Iraqis see us as enemies.

Did you hear Joe Lieberman discuss Iraq yesterday, steve?

And Gene, since you love polls so much, did you see the one that reported 70% of those "average" Americans believe the sniping of people like you and the Democrats political posturing on Iraq are bad for the morale of our troops and are detrimental to our success? And that 60% are opposed to an immediate pullout?

Cheers,
Daiwa

Get off the Class Warfare BS. Bush has done more to make the poor worse off and to kill the middle income Americans then any President in 75 years. What he has done is the cause of class warfare. He takes from the poor and middle income workers and gives to the rich. He borrows to make the rich even more wealthy with his tax cuts and then passes that added debt to the next generation.

George would be in a durg rehab unit about now.

The certainty of hate-filled zealots is remarkable, indeed.

And who exactly is on the Class Warfare BS? (Other than you)

Cheers,
Daiwa

You are so dumb! Also I can assure you not all the military respect Bush.

True, there were a few, especially those that supported the Democratic party directly due to a personal stake in their political stance on homosexuality, (quietly of course) but most of the ones at my last unit that I discussed it with did. I did. I still do. And I'm going back in.

I'm fairly sure we all know how you feel about Bush by now, how could we not? And those of us who disagree are not going to be convinced by arguing over it. Why don't you DO something if you feel so strongly about him? Besides making angry argumentative blogs? (although I thank you for no longer "shouting" by using all caps.)

How bout something different? What about a post on what you did in the military? Or even just the latest sports game you took an interest in. If I had to judge by your writing, I'd say your only passion in life was politics.

What is it about politics that makes us all leave our wits after the tone?

Pavlov's Dog.

Yeah right Colon Gangrene, that is why (yet again) all the economic indicators raised again... even after an over active hurricane season and record fuel prices.

Keep singing your song Colon Gangrene, I'm sure there are a few who don't mind ignoring reality, as long as they can blame Bush for everything they think is going wrong.

Get off the Class Warfare BS. Bush has done more to make the poor worse off and to kill the middle income Americans then any President in 75 years. What he has done is the cause of class warfare. He takes from the poor and middle income workers and gives to the rich. He borrows to make the rich even more wealthy with his tax cuts and then passes that added debt to the next generation.

And you accuse us of walking around with our heads up our butts. For God's sake don't look in a mirror!

Daiwa

It was Para Ted 2K that brought up the Class Warfare issue.

Reaction to the Bush BS yeaterday is that about 2/3 of Americans per the overnight CNN poll believe that Iraq will end up being a safe haven for terrorists when we leave. The poll on this issue is of little value. However, if the end result of the Bush invasion of Iraq is to establish a country where terrorists can operate or a government that is ANYTHING like Iran or Seria, ALL the deaths and injuries of the American Military will have been for NOTHING. As bad as the government was under Saddam, there WERE NO terrorist cells, like the ones that caused 9/11, operating in Iraq. NOT UNTIL after we removed Saddam did these terrorist groups begin to operatre in Iraq. Iraq was NOT part of the war on Terrorism until AFTER we invaded and if Iraq continues to be a place were terrorists can operate after we leave, the Bush adventure in Iraq will be a major failure and all the deaths and injuries will have been for NOTHING!!!

There are STILL no terrorist cells "like the ones that caused 9/11" operating in Iraq, Gene. To pretend or imply they have that kind of scope & reach is pretty pathetic.

I seriously doubt Iraq will be any easier a place for these two-bit terrorist-wannabe's once we are gone than other middle eastern countries that "allow" them to exist and it is unlikely it will be anything like a "safe haven" posing a risk to the US as CNN hopes. They will be in a country whose government opposes them. The only targets they will be able to reach will be local and they already kill almost exclusively Iraqis. They don't have the financing or resources to do anything more than roadside IED's & suicide car bombs. Over the long haul, I doubt the Iraqis will tolerate them - they have a country to rebuild.

At least you agree the poll is of little value.

Cheers,
Daiwa

Daiwa

I did not say there are no terrorist cells, "like the ones that caused 9/11" operating TODAY. They are opererating today. What I said and what the CIA has said is that THEY WERE NOT OPERATING PRIOR TO Bush invading Iraq , removing Saddam and dispanding their Army. Saddam would not have allowed any such groups to operate. He was the Dictator.

We can train all the Iraqi military and police we want. If after we leave the government that results in Iraq either allows terrorist cells to operate or is a government anything like Iran or Seria, Bush will have exchanged a LESSER evil for a far BIGGER Evil at the expense of American Lives, injuries and $300 plus Billion dollars. That is a very likely outcome in Iraq no matter when we leave.

This is an aeticle by the Army War College from last year. There have been new comments yesterday I have not been able to find.

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Published on Monday, January 12, 2004 by the Los Angeles Times
War College Study Calls Iraq a 'Detour'
Institute's report warns anti-terror campaign may launch 'open-ended and gratuitous conflict.'
by Chuck Neubauer and Ken Silverstein


WASHINGTON — A report published by the Army War College criticizes the Bush administration's global war on terrorism as "unfocused" and contends that the war in Iraq is "unnecessary" and a "detour" that has diverted attention and resources from the threat posed by Al Qaeda.

The report warns that the administration's global war on terrorism may have set the United States "on a course of open-ended and gratuitous conflict with states and non-state entities that pose no serious threat to the United States."

The report by Jeffrey Record, a visiting research professor at the Strategic Studies Institute of the Army War College, calls for downsizing the war on terrorism and focusing instead on the threat from Al Qaeda, the terror network responsible for the Sept. 11 attacks on the World Trade Center and the Pentagon as well as other sites around the world.

"The global war on terrorism as presently defined and conducted is strategically unfocused, promises much more than it can deliver, and threatens to dissipate U.S. military and other resources in an endless and hopeless search for absolute security," Record wrote, concluding his 56-page monograph. "The United States may be able to defeat, even destroy, Al Qaeda, but it cannot rid the world of terrorism, much less evil."

Record calls the war in Iraq "an unnecessary preventative war" that has "diverted attention and resources away from securing the American homeland against further assault by an undeterrable Al Qaeda." The Iraq war was a "detour" from the war on terrorism, he said.

The Army War College, located in Carlisle, Pa., trains military and civilian officials in the theory and application of military strategy using land-based forces. The report contains a disclaimer stating that it does not necessarily represent the views of the Army, the Pentagon or the U.S. government.

In the foreword to the report, found on the Internet at http://www.carlisle.army.mil/ssi/pubs/2003/bounding/bounding.pdf , Douglas C. Lovelace Jr., the institute's director, said the monograph was offered "as a contribution to the national security debate over the aims and course of the war on terrorism."

Record, a former staff member for the Senate Armed Services Committee, has written six books on military issues. He also teaches at the Air Force's Air War College in Montgomery, Ala.

Loren Thompson, a defense analyst at the Lexington Institute, an Arlington, Va.-based research organization that focuses on military affairs, said: "There's no question that Iraq has diverted U.S. attention from the war on terrorism. However, [the U.S.] invaded Iraq to resolve a potentially more serious threat that American intelligence indicated was quite urgent — that being the threat of weapons of mass destruction…. All intelligence estimates pointed to an urgent threat."

Daniel Benjamin, a member of the National Security Council staff in the late 1990s, said, "The criticism does not seem out of line with many of the conversations I have had with officers in every branch of the military."

Copyright 2004 Los Angeles Times

Col gene has stooped to a new low, now he won't even look for articles that make Bush look bad. He's just going at it straight from his mind. For as long as he has it anyways, every article he post seems to show that he's losing his mind.

At least some people who he go Bush bashing find decent articles that make it a bit dificult to fight back.

BTW Col gene, I think you misunderstood the saying "repetition is the key to success". See quote below:

Anyone that did not obey his orders the way Bush didn't should never have received an Honorable discharge

Saddam would not have allowed any such groups to operate. He was the Dictator.

You seem to know a hell of alot about Saddam and Iraq for a guy who doesn't live there. The next Encyclopedia created should have a chapter called "Col gene Everything about Saddam and Iraq"

I read a lot including material from the Army War College. The article from the Army War College is not from a Bush Bashing organization. The War College tells it like it is not as Bush and his staff SPINS everything.

The Army War college is like everywhere else. It has it's great minds and total fools. In my years in the military, I saw both ends of the War College Alumni spectrum. Just because they are there, doesn't make them any less influenced by their own political biases as anyone else.