I hope they all get kicked out and a new batch with real ideas get in... Ahhh but that will never happen..

We can all hope.

I mean, ooh, a corrupt lobbyist scandal! It's just like the corrupt lobbyist scandals under Clinton!

I agree, pointing out corrupt politics is like pointing out that most fast foods are bad for you. We know they are there but we still like them anyways.

At least the American Indians are not receiving nuclear tech, super computers sales and missile tech.

How sure are we of that? We didn't even know about the wire tapping till now, who knows what else is going on with Indians. Hehe.

Democrats rob you one at a time and the GOP robs people all at once. Some great choices!

These are people that we put there. Choices yes, but we chose them. We do have the ability to chose better, but for some odd reason we Americans like crooks in our Govt, you know, the classy ones who don't look so bad but are robbing you blind.

Col, even you have to admit that, although this article is only pointing out the corrupt side of the Republicans, that both parties are equally corrupt. We should all know by now that political positions are just an easy way to make money off the dumb people. We should all know by now that all those running for any political office is in it for the money that can be made more than for the people they want to represent.

Our Govt is a corrupt system, but us Americans, for some odd reason, seem to like it this way. Otherwise we would be doing something about it.

I agree both sides have corruption. However, the GOP seems to have taken corruption to a new high and we need a split in the power. I do not want to see EITHER party in control!

Ohh, my, my, my....

taken corruption to a new high

I would have to say 1.3 million Dollars from a company wanting to sell “intercontinental ballistic missiles” to China, and at least half a million Dollars (that we know of) from the People Army of China to the DNC in soft money out shines this "new high" your claiming.

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This is not even counting all the money VP Gore had to return. I personally think corruption dealing with Indian Casino's pails to corruption dealing with countries pointing nuclear tipped missiles at the US, that we had help build with the corrupt money.

Interesting how the republican sheep aren't bothered at all by this scandal and resort to the old, worn out response, "Well, under Clinton blah, blah, blah..." It's really pathetic. There was no lobbying scandal under Clinton. The big "scandal" was for loans and while some of it was probably unethical, there was nothing illegal about it. It wasn't about individuals buying influence.

What makes the Abramoff scandal so serious is how severely it compromised our democracy -- the fact that big money was able to influence law makers to the extent they did. Abramoff and the lawmakers who were bought off, blatantly broke the law. While both republican and democratic congressmen accepted contributions from Abramoff, as did Bush, common sense would tell you that the abuse was far more prevalent with republicans. Democrats have no power. You don't buy influence from people who have no power.

I believe it is Bush that is the current President and it is the GOP that is in Power. Just look at the boys giving back all those contribution including Bush!

Lates news about who all was under Abarmoff's influence. Of the 45 Democrates in the Senate, 40 of them received money. The list below is only afew. I'm not defending the GOP for what they are doing, but I don't like to see critics saying naa, naa, naa and claiming "new highs" of corruption when it is bothsides taking the money.

Sen. Byron Dorgan, (D-N.D.) who received at least $79,300
Sen. Tom Harkin (D-Iowa), who received at least $45,750
Senate Minority Leader Harry Reid (D-Nev.), who received at least $68,941
Sen. Debbie Stabenow (D-Mich.), who received at least $6,250.

In post #4 I acknowledged that there are Democrats as well. There are FAR more Republicans and members of the religious right including one White House staffer and other members of the Bush administration.

Ben -

Should you wish to engage in respectful debate, that's fine, but you have a fixation with sheep that seems unhealthy to me. Thank you for sharing your arrogance. We get it - you're a pompous ass.

Cheers,
Daiwa

You have a leg up on that title

Here is another non-scandal that won't affect anything. Col you, just as the NYT's and the moveon crowd, will get nowhere with this. One week and this story is history.

I will give you one thing col. Bush might not get re-elected in '08.

Senate Minority Leader Harry Reid (D-Nev.), who received at least $68,941

According to NPR, Reid is refusing to return his tainted money because "it came from the Indians, not from Jack Abramoff." Priceless.

BenUser:

What makes the Abramoff scandal so serious is how severely it compromised our democracy -- the fact that big money was able to influence law makers to the extent they did.

What makes lobbying in general so seriously wrong is that special interests can throw money at whores... I mean, politicians... and get them to roll over however they want. All they have to do is dangle some cash or trips or "perks" at a politician (whichever side of the aisle they sit) and they will give the special interests special interest.

While both republican and democratic congressmen accepted contributions from Abramoff, as did Bush, common sense would tell you that the abuse was far more prevalent with republicans.

It's not Abramoff, it's the system. It's not Republicans, it's everyone in Washington. All politicians are whores, and this scandal du jour makes Abramoff the... umm, pimp? Or the customer?

you have a fixation with sheep that seems unhealthy to me.

I also feel that way, Ben. I am sorry that you think anyone who doesn't agree with you are sheep. I am very offended by you calling me a mindless animal who follows. I like to think that I have freedom of thought and seriously consider every issue that I possibly can before forming an opinion on it.
At this point, I was going to swear at you and verbally degrade you but I thought better of it.
But if you don't stop using the term sheep I will find you and beat you up.