Paladin77

I have said from the outset that Bush made two major errors.

First was the decision to invade Iraq. It was not warranted by the danger to the U.S. and predicated on the advice of people with foreign policy knowledge and experience was a policy that would not work. They were correct and Bush was dead WRONG.

The second was the failure of Bush to follow military doctrine and the planning for an Iraq Invasion (The military has plans to do a lot of things even some that may not be a good strategic move like invading Iraq) to less then 1/3 the troops needed to establish order after Saddam fell. The time for the 500,0000 troops was at the time Saddam Fell not after the sectarian elements have organized, armed and have created instability. The Bush Serge of 21,500 troops is as the old saying goes, “a day late and a dollar short". WE may see some reduction in the attacks in the Baghdad area. We have already scene the attacks shift to other cities. When the surge is over the violence will resume if it did abate a bit during the surge. The violence will continue because we have not solved the reasons for this violence. All this will do is prolog this civil conflict and when we leave the factions will battle each other until the people of Iraq settle their dispute. That is what Bush does not get. There is no military solution we can impose short of a massive force that would be able to disarm and occupy all areas of Iraq, seal the borders and prevent all factions from conducting attacks. We will not do that and do not have the military the required to accomplish that type of occupation.

The time for more troops was April 2003, not February 2007!!!!!!!!!! Bush NEVER learns and because of his lack of knowledge and experience he makes policy decisions that are a disaster for our country.

Yes, it would be nice to go to war with a million troops and have everything perfect. Please name a war where that happened. War is decided by the people that start them and ended by the side that wins. We won the war, the peace takes time but it is happening. If you understood how the world works instead of living in a fantasy you would see that. Not everything is perfect and it would be nice to have everything perfect. We do not live in a perfect country or a perfect world.

Bush didnt lie about the war col, you have NEVER proven your accusations.  End of story. 

19 hijackers were not a threat either col, Iraq was not a threat when Clinton attacked, where is your accusations and fake outrage there?

Bush will never be impeached.....get over it.

Paladin77

This war was an elective war. We were not attacked and in 2002 Saddam had no military capacity beyond operating in the central section of Iraq. Thus, we went to war without the manpower and equipment needed to do the job properly and since the fact that we went to war and the timing was not forced upon us, we made a BIG ERROR. This is not like most other wars. We were not attacked nor we were not reacting to an invasion like in Korea.

IslandDog

Yes Bush and Cheney lied as to the threat from Saddam. They presented a threat that required action in early 2003 when the facts showed at that time Saddam was no danger and both Bush and Cheney were aware of the Intelligence and the pentagon assessment that said Saddam had no capability to attack ANYONE!

Once again col you failed to deal with the topic you started because you have been debunked on all of your points. As usual the minute that happens you change topics bringing up other topics that have been proven wrong many times. You keep rewording the same tired arguments that have been proven wrong each and every time. Is it possible for you to stay on topic for any article you write? You have lied, misquoted, and contorted the truth every chance you get. Your positions are factually weak, you are free to have your opinions wrong as they may be but please understand that the only person you are fooling is yourself.

Paladin77

Better look at the news again today. Everything I said in this post is correct. You have debunked NOTHING.

Go dig a Fox Hole and crawl into it. That will do more good then all the BS you post

And so did a long list of democrats then, but you won't hold them accountable.  You have already been proven wrong about Iraq col, so why do you bother?

IslandDog

It was Bush that requested the authorization to attack Iraq and it is Bush that gave the order. He responsible for a war predicated on lies and should be impeached.

And Congress approved it and there is NO PROOF of any intentional lie.  Bush will NEVER be impeached, get over it and move on.

I must have missed the news. Please tell me what point you have made.

The attacks of the Taliban in Afghanistan. That war goes south every day. You also have al Qaeda operating training camps in Pakistan on the border with Afghanistan. We NEVER finished the job in that country and took the forces needed to deal with Afghanistan and the elements that caused 9/11 to Iraq that was no danger and no part of 9/11.

The Taliban did not attack us so by your reasoning we should not be bothering them. The people that attacked us were Al Qaeda, the same Al Qaeda that had set up training camps in Iraq which caused us to go to war with Iraq. Pakistan is an ally of the US and has helped us in this war on terror. The area Al Qaeda is in now is a no mans land, there is no government there and getting in and out of the area is hard to do.



Gee, maybe that is why we have not left the country yet. Maybe that is why the President wants to put more troops there to ensure that the enemy does not regain a foothold in the area.

Paladin77

No dummy they allowed al Qaeda to train and plan the 9/11 attacks. Are you DUMB or just so blind you refuse to look at the truth! We never had the number of troops in Afghanistan to end the al Qaeda and Theban operations. We need to remove our combat forces from Iraq and send then to Afghanistan and complete that war where 9/11 was planned!

This is what I mean by you distort the truth. President Bush told the Taliban to hand over Al Qaeda or we would go in and get them. AQ used that “diplomatic” effort to avoid war to run and hide. No body cared about the Taliban until they refused to hand over the terrorist. For years the world knew how bad the people of the Taliban were within their nation and no one cared or did anything about it. They lost the right to rule that nation when they pissed us off.
Now you want us to include the Taliban with the terrorist to help your cause. LOL




Actually we must go wherever AQ is in order to keep them off balance so they can’t attack the US again. You want to be sidetracked on issues that don’t matter in order to make your feeble point. The point is we were attacked by AQ and wherever they are is where we need to be. That includes Iraq. It is the reason Iran has not publicly joined with AQ because our president said if anyone aids the terrorist will be treated as if they are the terrorist.

paladin77

Then WHY did Bush attack Iraq where there was no al Qaeda activity or training camps before we invaded? Today there are some al Qaeda in Iraq because we deposed Saddam and did not have the manpower required to prevent them from coming across the Iraq borders and setting up operations.


I can not imagine how little you understand about what is taking place in this world!

If things are going so well in Afghanistan, WHY is Bush asking for more troops from NATO?