Where have I ever mentioned Alaska? I said...





That is exactly what makes it a sham argument. This is what would have to happen:

1. Automakers would have to have some specified time in which to reach to new lower mileage standard.
2. The public would have to actually purchase those newer vehicles.

I have a few questions for you.

1. What do you drive?
2. Is it paid for?
3. If it's paid for would you go out and strap yourself with a car note to save a mile per gallon?

I wouldn't pay $300-$400 a month for a note on a new vehicle just to save 25 cents when I fill up. Thats just dumb.

In the end, I am just like most Americans. I don't give a squirt of piss about how much it costs you or anybody else. This is all just about me.

Answer the question I posed...



Do you have a good reason? How about this? Let's require all major oil companies that showed more than $30 billion in profits last year to build a new refinery.

can't the tree huggers would throw a fit

red herring

can't the tree huggers would throw a fit red herring

Wrong again sir!

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sorry,,,disagree with your right wing media opinions. adrian moore? christian science monitor?

oil companies have been blaming their woes on enviromentalists for decades. more of that is not surprise.

but just cause the oil companies and their pundits say so, doesn't make it true.

the industry cries that they need looser regulation to build refineries. they are simply "holding out for a better deal" while the american people are held hostage.

Wrong again sir! sorry,,,disagree with your right wing media opinions. adrian moore? christian science monitor? oil companies have been blaming their woes on enviromentalists for decades. more of that is not surprise. but just cause the oil companies and their pundits say so, doesn't make it true. the industry cries that they need looser regulation to build refineries. they are simply "holding out for a better deal" while the american people are held hostage.

Your "still" wrong. I took notice that you skipped over the third link entirely. The link of course is from the EPA!

And btw....you can blacklist me all you want. But I can "still" do an end-run on you in a heart beat.

So what is wrong with that?

If you opened a business today and you knew you could get X dollars for your product. You also knew you could sell as much of it as you could manufacture. Your customer is screaming I hate these high prices but I sure love you product. In fact I love your product so much the more you charge the more I'll buy.

Where is your incentive to flood the market with a cheap product? Your customers are going to pay price Y and hell, when you get ready they will pay Z too.

If I was the CEO, I'd hold out not for the better deal but for the best in that sort of market. Anything else would be a betrayal to my investors.


Oh and one more, they are going to build a refinery down the road, no across town from you. There will constantly be 'safe levels' of chemicals released into the air. There is going to be the occasional threat of a chemical release and you will be asked to shelter in place at least once a year. Accidents do happen, you know. While you are sheltered, you will be asked to close all windows and doors and shut off you’re A/C (likely in the hottest month of the year).

As an added bonus, every once in a while it will blow up and countless cancer causing agents will be released into the air. Oh goody!

Tell me you are excited about that possibility.

the second part of the statement you chopped...



maybe that's ok with you, since you work in the industry and are an obvious apologist for it. but for the rest of us, it might be another isuue.

the george bush / dick cheney EPA...lmfao!!!!

i wasn't going to make that obvious point. but since you insisted. i figured people were less familiar with wing-nuts like adrian moore.



maybe you are the last person to know this...and that in itself is kinda funny...but , just to clue you into what everyone else knows on this site...

everyone knows that anyone can "by-pass" the blacklist by going thru the forums. there is no great trick to it. the "block" is broken and stardock apparantly can't afford to dedicate any "resources" to fixing it.

so, it's an honor thing. something you have now proven beyond the shadow of a doubt that you have no clue about.

so, it's an honor thing. something you have now proven beyond the shadow of a doubt that you have no clue about.

And I'm sorry to say you don't a clue about honor either. And if you think by saying those words, that it's going to change anything....you're more wrong than you know. Coming from someone like you, I would consider it a compliment.

The link of course is from the EPA! the george bush / dick cheney EPA...lmfao!!!!

So according to you not even the EPA knows what they're talking about. Except you of course.

“you can't raise taxes on the rich without affecting the poor”

That is simply NOT true. The PROOF is the 1990's what the tax rates on the wealthy were higher there was NO ADVERSE impact on the POOR! Before Reagan tax rates on the wealth were MUCH higher then even in the 1990's and the POOR were no worse off then today as their wages remain stagnant and everything they need to live is increasing in cost. In addition they got NO benefit from that tax cuts in 1981 under Reagan or in 2001-2003 under Bush!

It is the responsibility of government to protect our citizens and the actions of Big Oil are harming every American!

your absolutly right no one pays taxes not the rich and not their customers they just appear out of no where


you see i can tell that you have lied about owning businesses

and i gave you a link the last time government under carter tried to put caps on big oil that did hurt the people so you want to repeat history.

I didn't chop any statement.



I am no apologist for it. If I started attacking the Big Mac you'd be right here to defend it because you wouldn't want your source of income to dry up. Right?

I don't really care about the rest of the industry. I care about my little piece. The one that puts food on my table and a roof over my head. Our company has been around since the 60's. We made it through the 80's bust and we will make it through again and again.

We know what the rule is pass the cost on down the line. Big oil will do the same. Tax them and pay more at the pump to cover that tax. That's just what will happen so don't stand there with that dumb look on your face when it does.

“and I gave you a link the last time government under carter tried to put caps on big oil that did hurt the people so you want to repeat history.”

We have NOT tried an Excess Profits Tax to help develop alternate energy. Doing NOTHING is harming EVERY person and Business in this country!

Oh please, stop being so dramatic.  You could care less about developiong alternative energy, you just want to tax "big oil" because it's part of the far lefts hate-filled obsessions.